Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Poor commitment, splintered focus.
Yeah cause Galen Rupp didn't run 10Ks before his marathon medal.
Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Poor commitment, splintered focus.
Yeah cause Galen Rupp didn't run 10Ks before his marathon medal.
Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Poor commitment, splintered focus.
Because our marathoners from Frank Shorter to Galen Rupp haven't been capable of running both a good 10K and a good marathon. Oh wait, maybe that's a stupid theory with no empirical support.
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Removing rust particle by particle
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Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Poor commitment, splintered focus.
For example:
Last year top ten times for Japan and America in the marathon:
Top ten Japanese marathon times in 2018:
RANK MARK COMPETITOR DOB NAT POS VENUE DATE
1 2:05:50 Suguru OSAKO 23 MAY 1991 JPN JPN 3 Chicago, IL (USA) 07 OCT 2018
2 2:06:11 Yuta SHITARA 18 DEC 1991 JPN JPN 2 Tokyo (JPN) 25 FEB 2018
3 2:06:54 Hiroto INOUE 06 JAN 1993 JPN JPN 5 Tokyo (JPN) 25 FEB 2018
4 2:07:27 Yuma HATTORI 13 NOV 1993 JPN JPN 1 Fukuoka (JPN) 02 DEC 2018
5 2:07:57 Taku FUJIMOTO 11 SEP 1989 JPN JPN 8 Chicago, IL (USA) 07 OCT 2018
6 2:08:08 Ryo KINAME 22 JAN 1991 JPN JPN 7 Tokyo (JPN) 25 FEB 2018
7 2:08:16 Shogo NAKAMURA 01 SEP 1992 JPN JPN 4 Berlin (GER) 16 SEP 2018
8 2:08:45 Chihiro MIYAWAKI 28 AUG 1991 JPN JPN 8 Tokyo (JPN) 25 FEB 2018
9 2:08:48 Kenji YAMAMOTO 17 NOV 1989 JPN JPN 9 Tokyo (JPN) 25 FEB 2018
10 2:08:58 Yuki SATO 26 NOV 1986 JPN JPN 10 Tokyo (JPN) 25 FEB 2018
Top ten Japanese 10000m times in 2018:
1 2:06:07 Galen RUPP 08 MAY 1986 USA USA 1 Praha (CZE) 06 MAY 2018
2 2:12:24 Jared WARD 09 SEP 1988 USA USA 6 New York, NY (USA) 04 NOV 2018
3 2:12:28 Scott FAUBLE 05 NOV 1991 USA USA 7 New York, NY (USA) 04 NOV 2018
4 2:12:35 Elkanah KIBET 06 FEB 1986 USA USA 13 Chicago, IL (USA) 07 OCT 2018
5 2:12:38 Brogan AUSTIN 05 OCT 1991 USA USA 1 Sacramento, CA (USA) 02 DEC 2018
6 2:12:52 Shadrack KIPTOO BIWOTT 19 FEB 1985 USA USA 9 New York, NY (USA) 04 NOV 2018
7 2:12:59 Matt LLANO 01 AUG 1988 USA USA 2 Sacramento, CA (USA) 02 DEC 2018
8 2:13:08 Chris DERRICK 17 OCT 1990 USA USA 10 New York, NY (USA) 04 NOV 2018
9 2:13:15 Josh IZEWSKI 29 APR 1990 USA USA 3 Sacramento, CA (USA) 02 DEC 2018
10 2:13:16 Aaron BRAUN 28 MAY 1987 USA USA 14 Chicago, IL (USA) 07 OCT 2018
how is that relevant wrote:
Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Poor commitment, splintered focus.
Yeah cause Galen Rupp didn't run 10Ks before his marathon medal.
Does he now? How about all of the sub-2:10 Japanese? Jack of all trades, master of none is a built-in excuse.
Also: no Galen Rupp equivalent in this field, male or female. Analogy fail.
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in the way of the Japanese wrote:
Top ten Japanese 10000m times in 2018:
1 2:06:07 Galen RUPP 08 MAY 1986 USA USA 1 Praha (CZE) 06 MAY 2018
2 2:12:24 Jared WARD 09 SEP 1988 USA USA 6 New York, NY (USA) 04 NOV 2018
3 2:12:28 Scott FAUBLE 05 NOV 1991 USA USA 7 New York, NY (USA) 04 NOV 2018
4 2:12:35 Elkanah KIBET 06 FEB 1986 USA USA 13 Chicago, IL (USA) 07 OCT 2018
5 2:12:38 Brogan AUSTIN 05 OCT 1991 USA USA 1 Sacramento, CA (USA) 02 DEC 2018
6 2:12:52 Shadrack KIPTOO BIWOTT 19 FEB 1985 USA USA 9 New York, NY (USA) 04 NOV 2018
7 2:12:59 Matt LLANO 01 AUG 1988 USA USA 2 Sacramento, CA (USA) 02 DEC 2018
8 2:13:08 Chris DERRICK 17 OCT 1990 USA USA 10 New York, NY (USA) 04 NOV 2018
9 2:13:15 Josh IZEWSKI 29 APR 1990 USA USA 3 Sacramento, CA (USA) 02 DEC 2018
10 2:13:16 Aaron BRAUN 28 MAY 1987 USA USA 14 Chicago, IL (USA) 07 OCT 2018
Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Poor commitment, splintered focus.
Most of our sub 2:10 marathon runners of the last decade have had a “split focus” and ran track races.
Might by why we have so few, especially so few sub-2:08.
Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
how is that relevant wrote:
Yeah cause Galen Rupp didn't run 10Ks before his marathon medal.
Does he now? How about all of the sub-2:10 Japanese?
Almost all the Japanese marathoners race 10,000 on the track every year
smokeshow wrote:
Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Poor commitment, splintered focus.
Most of our sub 2:10 marathon runners of the last decade have had a “split focus” and ran track races.
Exactly, American men run timid. They fear the distance. They need to embrace a kamikaze spirit. Go balls to the walls. Attack the marathon(instead of bashing Stinson for crashing in the latter stages of the marathon, we should congratulate him for going out so hard and testing himself as opposed to taking it safe). US men need to start focusing on the 30 kilometer point of the marathon. Most of the elite Japanese men go through 30 k point in about 90 minutes(partly due to them training in kilometers and having 3 minute kilometers being the focus as opposed to US men having 5 minute miles being the focus). While the elite US men hit it around 92-93 minutes. This also starts young. Most US kids are lazy and there parents are soft. They don't push there kids hard enough. US kids under train, are afraid to train hard and put in the mileage. A few things America needs to do: introduce ekidens(road relays), and road races( about 10-20 kilometers in length) to the collegiate and high school programs programs.
in the way of the Japanese wrote:
smokeshow wrote:
Most of our sub 2:10 marathon runners of the last decade have had a “split focus” and ran track races.
Exactly, American men run timid. They fear the distance. They need to embrace a kamikaze spirit. Go balls to the walls. Attack the marathon(instead of bashing Stinson for crashing in the latter stages of the marathon, we should congratulate him for going out so hard and testing himself as opposed to taking it safe). US men need to start focusing on the 30 kilometer point of the marathon. Most of the elite Japanese men go through 30 k point in about 90 minutes(partly due to them training in kilometers and having 3 minute kilometers being the focus as opposed to US men having 5 minute miles being the focus). While the elite US men hit it around 92-93 minutes. This also starts young. Most US kids are lazy and there parents are soft. They don't push there kids hard enough. US kids under train, are afraid to train hard and put in the mileage. A few things America needs to do: introduce ekidens(road relays), and road races( about 10-20 kilometers in length) to the collegiate and high school programs programs.
The fastest Japanese marathoner of all time trains under an American coach
it accomplished this wrote:
Crumpet wrote:
What was the point of this? Wouldn't everyone have been better off running road races for prize money? Did anyone hit a standard that they wouldn't have anyway at the first Stanford meet or even Mt. SAC?
They can hit the USA standard now and run a marathon in April while the college track season is opening up.
Tell us, Mr. Insider, how many of those in this field are running spring marathons?
Hardloper wrote:
Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Does he now? How about all of the sub-2:10 Japanese?
Almost all the Japanese marathoners race 10,000 on the track every year
Your claim. Waiting on facts supported by data.
Snowflake Elite wrote:
Did they all get finisher's medals??
looks fun wrote:
So getting back to the "are they elite" argument for a moment.
All the men with finishing times ran roughly within 10% of the WR
All the women, up to Alexi, also ran within 10% of the WR (Alexi was about 89%)
That's elite. Congrats to everyone!
You're trying way too hard here.
Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
Almost all the Japanese marathoners race 10,000 on the track every year
Your claim. Waiting on facts supported by data.
They do, as speed work for the marathon. For example, Toshihiko Seko ran his 5000m and marathon personal best in the same year(5000m PB in July of 86 and his marathon PB in October of 86). Also, Toshihiko Seko made his marathon debut in 1978. Shows how important it is to keep working on your speed.
Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
Almost all the Japanese marathoners race 10,000 on the track every year
Your claim. Waiting on facts supported by data.
Here's a start:
http://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/2018/01/2018-japanese-distance-rankings.htmlin the way of the Japanese wrote:
Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Your claim. Waiting on facts supported by data.
They do, as speed work for the marathon. For example, Toshihiko Seko ran his 5000m and marathon personal best in the same year(5000m PB in July of 86 and his marathon PB in October of 86). Also, Toshihiko Seko made his marathon debut in 1978. Shows how important it is to keep working on your speed.
Love Seko yet this is 2019.
Hardloper wrote:
Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Your claim. Waiting on facts supported by data.
Here's a start:
http://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/2018/01/2018-japanese-distance-rankings.html
Thank you. You just unearthed where I erred. I meant though failed to state that I meant racing at the annual national track championships, not simply racing on the track, period. I'm prepared to be proven wrong again, yet I'd be surprised if any of the men qualified for the MGC Race also race at the track national championships.
Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:
Might by why we have so few, especially so few sub-2:08.
That doesn’t make any sense. If our best are doing track work occasionally during the year while our sea of 2 teens guys primarily focus on halves and fulls then why do you think it supports doing the latter?
short answer no wrote:
No, on one of Rodger Bannisters record attempts someone did this, where he jogged till Bannister lapped him. That attempt was DQ.
That was when he broke 4. So no, it was not disqualified.