Samuel Tefera, Not Yomif Kejelcha, Gets Indoor 1500 WR - 3:31.04!!!

Care to reply, Mr. Anti-Kenya?

Exactly. His performance reminds me of Barega as well. He was at ease at that pace, as Barega was. As for drugs, it is a fact that there is very limited testing in Ethiopia and many people using drugs. The Meldonium positives, ten of them in Ethiopia, showed that there is in fact drug use there in significant quantities, but we had no proof of how widespread it was.

Barega and Tefera have the same representation, Elite Sports Marketing and Hussein Makke.

http://www.esmintl.com/#

He did not just get by Kejelcha. He passed him on the backstretch and extended the lead without going flat out.

I'd say that you have more justification in saying that 3:31 isn't something you need EPO to run. On the one hand, this beat El G's indoor record and it is not that easy to run superfast indoors. However, the fact that Coghlan was sub 3:50 on a 10 lap to the mile track back in the 1980s shows that this is not anywhere near the level of the 3:26-27 outdoor performances.

I Want What Tefera is On wrote:

rojo wrote:

I 100% agree. Jakob looked less tired at the end of that race than Tefera. Tefera lost form in the last 10 meters of the race. He barely got by Kejelcha. I don't get people who think he wasn't tired. He maxed out.

And are these EPO accusers total idiots. Do you think if you are on EPO you still don't go to max heart rate? You think a doper on EPO doesn't get his heart rate up or breathe hard? That might be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

If it was true, why wouldn't they run like 3:19?

You are actually insufferable. To deny that Tefera is on something is just voluntary ignorance on your part. I don’t doubt Jakob is as well but this is just beyond obvious.

Blah blah blah. All talk no substance.

Jakob, who trains with his 3:30-flat brother every day, ran 3:36, five seconds slower than his outdoor pb, that he did at 17 and it wasn't his first race of the season as he won the European junior cross country title a few weeks back. Again his training partner, Filip won the senior title in what looked like he was in at least mid-27 10km shape. On the other hand Tefera just ran faster indoors than he had ever run before indoors or outdoors. As for being "19" There is no chance this guy is under 23.

Muir was victimized by a really slow early pace but did a fine job negative-splitting, roughly 2:12/2:06.

She had only 800m of pace and not good pace at that, then no competition. She was knackered afterward. I've never thought she was clean but at any rate, she had 4:16-17 in her for this race with even splits.

Subway Surfers wrote:

As for being "19" There is no chance this guy is under 23.

+1

And Lagat is 97.

Idiot.

Steffan Holllm wrote:

rojo wrote:

I 100% agree. Jakob looked less tired at the end of that race than Tefera. Tefera lost form in the last 10 meters of the race. He barely got by Kejelcha. I don't get people who think he wasn't tired. He maxed out.

And are these EPO accusers total idiots. Do you think if you are on EPO you still don't go to max heart rate? You think a doper on EPO doesn't get his heart rate up or breathe hard? That might be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

If it was true, why wouldn't they run like 3:19?

Care to reply, Mr. Anti-Kenya?

OK, not breathing after smashing a world record is not an indication of EPO abuse. I wont pretend to be more knowledgeable about this than Mr Rojo.

However, can someone explain why most knowledgeable people agree that EPO is more effective in distance events than, say, the 100m?

I assume its down to the aerobic/anaerobic systems used? In the 100m, the top sprinters literally do not breathe at all. Perhaps 1500 runners fuelled by EPO are still limited by other factors not requiring massive oxygen uptake? Apologies for my ignorance.

Perhaps Tefera can't run 3:19 because he simply doesn't have the speed? Why did the athletics timetable switch overnight from 800/1500 to 1500/5000 almost the exact point in time that EPO became widely used in athletics? Why did we suddenly have guys like El G who could run 3:26 1500 and only 1:47 800m? Maybe a guy like 1981 Coe, able to run 1:41/3:29 clean, loaded with EPO could run 3:19 on a mondo track, and guys like El G, who perhaps could only run 1:49/3:33 clean, can run 1:47/3:26 on full throttle EPO (without getting out of breath)?

Also, does EPO raise maximum heart rate, or simply allow athletes to perform at close to maximum heart rate for longer? I once asked a question here as to why I got out of breath sometimes when starting runs even though my heart rate was nowhere near maximum, and it was explained to me that it was in fact because I needed to warm up and get my heart rate up first. Isn't breathing hard a sign that the heart desperately needs more oxygen for the work it's doing? OK, I'm ignorant on these things, but it doesn't strike me as obviously dumb that a performance enhancing drug could enable the heart to work as hard with less respiration, given that the two aren't identical.

Those are some hilarious rationalizations! Let's review:

Jacob is clean because he has some really fast Brothers! ( who says his brothers are clean by the way?)

Ethio dude is dirty because clearly he's not related to any world-class runners like Jacob is ( meanwhile back in reality he probably has at least 10 first or second cousins who've been world class at some point)

Jacob is clean because despite training with his really fast brother he only ran 336 the other day. ( maybe he's taking a break from the sauce?)

This ethio kid must be dirty because even though he was world indoor champion last year, and ran 333 Outdoors 2 years ago and 331 Outdoors last year, there's NO WAY he could run 331 indoors now. It's simply unfathomable progression!

Oh and last thing: he is probably 23, but I still don't believe a 23 year old Ethiopian could run 331 clean , but I DO believe a seventeen-year-old Norwegian could run 331 clean because...

MT&FGA !

( I personally think Jacob's times are more unbelievable, since they are certainly more unprecedented, than Tefera's, but I will not accuse either of drug use until I see more damning evidence)

I think by reading this post I contracted stupid

- Hopefully, the IAAF promotes this as the Ethiopian version of "Coe vs Ovett"

- Tefera: one of the few 19-year olds I've seen w/a receding hair-line.

This kid said it best.

https://youtu.be/HFqOmYLjmRI

Coevett wrote:

Perhaps Tefera can't run 3:19 because he simply doesn't have the speed? Why did the athletics timetable switch overnight from 800/1500 to 1500/5000 almost the exact point in time that EPO became widely used in athletics? Why did we suddenly have guys like El G who could run 3:26 1500 and only 1:47 800m? Maybe a guy like 1981 Coe, able to run 1:41/3:29 clean, loaded with EPO could run 3:19 on a mondo track, and guys like El G, who perhaps could only run 1:49/3:33 clean, can run 1:47/3:26 on full throttle EPO (without getting out of breath)?

El G ran 1:46 for the last 800 of the Athens 1500 (i.e. after rounds). Do you really believe he couldn’t run at least 1:44? And remember that he trained for 1500 and 5k, not 800, and he was no longer in his prime. At his best, he probably could’ve managed a 1:42-high a la Cram.

Right? I can’t believe someone would be dumb enough to think El G was only capable of 1:47. What an idiot.

Lickety Split wrote:

rojo wrote:

I 100% agree. Jakob looked less tired at the end of that race than Tefera. Tefera lost form in the last 10 meters of the race. He barely got by Kejelcha. I don't get people who think he wasn't tired. He maxed out.

And are these EPO accusers total idiots. Do you think if you are on EPO you still don't go to max heart rate? You think a doper on EPO doesn't get his heart rate up or breathe hard? That might be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

If it was true, why wouldn't they run like 3:19?

- Hopefully, the IAAF promotes this as the Ethiopian version of "Coe vs Ovett"

- Tefera: one of the few 19-year olds I've seen w/a receding hair-line.

This “18 year old” isn’t even breathing hard after finishing. Not only that but he runs a 6 second pb because of the “magic of Hayward field”... yea right-

Many of you are ignoring the fact that Tefera wasn't necessarily going for the WR, that was Kejelcha, he was going for the win, so yeah, maybe he could have gone faster and run himself to visual exhaustion if he hadn't decided to sit and kick. But he also he knew that if he sat on Kejelcha, who was going for the WR, he might also get that with a sit and kick. Turns out he got two birds with one stone.

Should be interesting to see what he does outdoors this season.

Simply really. wrote:

Many of you are ignoring the fact that Tefera wasn't necessarily going for the WR, that was Kejelcha, he was going for the win, so yeah, maybe he could have gone faster and run himself to visual exhaustion if he hadn't decided to sit and kick. But he also he knew that if he sat on Kejelcha, who was going for the WR, he might also get that with a sit and kick. Turns out he got two birds with one stone.

Should be interesting to see what he does outdoors this season.

People underestimate the energy savings one experiences when sat directly behind another runner. Tefera was already a 3:31 guy. Arguably could have run faster last year also.

In this race he ran at his PB pace whilst sat directly behind another runner and had literally no wind resistance.

Semiler wrote:

I could see a reaction in Kejelcha's hand when Tefera passer him. Almost like he wanted to pull his shorts.

That was only a short impulse.

I Want What Tefera is On wrote:

You are actually insufferable. To deny that Tefera is on something is just voluntary ignorance on your part. I don’t doubt Jakob is as well but this is just beyond obvious.

Please, everyone report EVERY post like this one, so we can help to clean up the forum.

Stupid people like this should be banned, but at least we can get their posts removed, if enough are reported.