Ran this race last 15 years... ABSOLUTELY NO short course. I used to run a flat 10k 2 weeks before every year and times were very similar... It is a tricky race, you can run very fast if you do not lose your head speeding downhill, if you really push the first 5k, last 2k can be extremely painful, plus no less than six 90' turns.
Thank you to everyone who posted a link to the race! Great race! Thank you!
ever heard of PEDS? wrote:
DC Wonk wrote:
Kiplimo's previous best 10k road time was 28:17! No way he does 26:40 on anything but short course.
10 Kilometres 28:17 Trento (ITA) 06 OCT 2018
Ever heard of PEDs?
Cathal Lombard went from 14:30 for 5000m / 30 minutes for 10000m to 13:19 5000m/ 27:33 10000m.
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/ireland/cathal-lombard-138431https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2004/aug/09/athensolympics2004.athleticsBut some fools before the it was revealed what was really going on, believed it was from doing some silly exercises.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=409051athens bound wrote:
Cathal Lombard was on the brink of abandoning his running career when his friend Gerry McGrath called up Joe Doonan to see if he would coach Cathal. Joe Doonan is known as the Coach of Catherina Mckiernan, irish record holder in the marathon.
Cathal was logging 120 miles a week but was getting no good results and a month long trip to kenya back in October 2001 and not quite lived up to expectations. The training that Joe mapped out for Cathal includes plyometrics and drills aimed at increasing strength and economy of effort.
I will post his training later
Imagine if you added push-ups to the regimen of a 10k guy that was already a 3:34 1500m performer!
Sabadell' son wrote:
ever heard of PEDS? wrote:
Ever heard of PEDs?
Cathal Lombard went from 14:30 for 5000m / 30 minutes for 10000m to 13:19 5000m/ 27:33 10000m.
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/ireland/cathal-lombard-138431https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2004/aug/09/athensolympics2004.athleticsBut some fools before the it was revealed what was really going on, believed it was from doing some silly exercises.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=409051Imagine if you added push-ups to the regimen of a 10k guy that was already a 3:34 1500m performer!
Yes, I bett that would do wonders. I bett it would bring that 10k guy's 1500m PR down to around 3:28 or so.
TDF wrote:
Here is the race:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qixubMS3YNI
Are races World Record eligible if run in the dark? It's obvious that in the daytime the additional photons hitting the runners will slow them down.
Two dudes finish holding hands at 28:15. Prepare for 100 pages of vitriol from the LRC faithful.
The Dirty Duck wrote:
Two dudes finish holding hands at 28:15. Prepare for 100 pages of vitriol from the LRC faithful.
I just wondered what that was about.
yes, i wonder what would happen? wrote:
Yes, I bett that would do wonders. I bett it would bring that 10k guy's 1500m PR down to around 3:28 or so.
Could be. As I explained numerous times, PED's do not work for real elites, better/additional training might. For prove see Seb and El G and Paula and Bolt and Mo.
well,, wrote:
kjl wrote:
Not an easy course.
Some of you need to get out and race more.
Awesome performance.
Kiplimo has been in Cheptegei's shadow.
100m net downhill on 10 km is a lot. Ten times more than what is allowed to make it a legit record.
Do you think the young Ugandans can become a force like their neighbours of the Rift Valley?
Aussiestatman wrote:
well,, wrote:
100m net downhill on 10 km is a lot. Ten times more than what is allowed to make it a legit record.
Do you think the young Ugandans can become a force like their neighbours of the Rift Valley?
As you can tell from their names, they are Kalenjin: essentially the same people, with the same language and culture and an arbitrary border drawn by British colonialists separating them from the larger Kalenjin tribe on the Kenyan side. It’s inevitable that they’ll produce world-beating superstars, but we’re talking a much smaller pool (pop. 5 million in Kenya vs 180,000 in Uganda and < 20,000 in Tanzania). But Uganda will always factor: Think Eritrea with Tadese or Somalia with Mo Farah.
^Should’ve also mentioned that a lot of great Kenyan runners, like Rudisha, Obiri, Karoki, Manangoi, Ndiku ... are not Kalenjin.
El Keniano wrote:
^Should’ve also mentioned that a lot of great Kenyan runners, like Rudisha, Obiri, Karoki, Manangoi, Ndiku ... are not Kalenjin.
Rudisha is part Masai, part Kalenjin.
What were the weather conditions like?
Completely agree with Walwalwal: Not a short course, and for me not an easy race either, with the hard last 2k. I'm sure it's much easier for elite runners though, being able to roll fast downhill and stay strong for the last uphill. I've run it 16 times, but not this time - was sick and jogged "la popular" with my kids, and my result is usually also similar to my flat 10K time. Conditions were perfect - clear sky, no wind and temperature probably just below 10C.
Sammy Wanjiru.
grox wrote:
Sammy Wanjiru.
Kikuyu
El Keniano wrote:
grox wrote:
Sammy Wanjiru.
Kikuyu
Though I should say that when he died, some mysterious Kalenjin man came out of the woodwork to claim he was Sammy’s biological father.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000035498/is-this-man-wanjiru-s-fatherNevertheless, here have been other great Kikuyu runners, like John Ngugi and Catherine Ndereba.
What about Joseph Ebuya? Turkana people, according to his Wikipedia page.
Turkana people (Joseph Ebuya, Paul Ereng) are not Kalenjin. They share similar language and culture to larger communities across the border in South Sudan. So Ebuya comes from the same people as Lopez Lomong and Aussie 800m record holder Joseph Deng.
PERFECT!
Around 42º and no Wind.