Another marathon cheater, this time it’s a lady cutting courses and riding her bike for 2:45 marathons

"dunes runner

Please explain to me how the route she took from the wrong turn to the finish was downhill, while the route that everyone else took from that point to the finish was uphill? I certified courses in the 1970's and 80's, have run all my life and didn't realize that such an occurrence was possible."

You've just confirmed you're an idiot.

If "dunes runner" is "### with her ###" on this, then "dunes runner" obviously condones cheating.

Probably done a lot of it himself/herself. Perhaps he/she should stick with his/her "dunes running" if that's how the rules work there. I'm also happy to know where we can find the paragraph gestapo when we need one.

dunce runner has been at the bottom-detritus intellectual level of the LRC pond for over 10 years and just confirmed nothing has changed. This woman is a confirmed drug cheat who has reosrted to course-cutting for profit. ###you are a dunce###

Here ya go dunes, I can't be bothered doing too much research as there's enough evidence to show she's a cheater, now and in the past, but check out this link and the post from Runwithwalter.

Looks like she went straight ahead on the Snow Canyon Parkway at 10.5 mile as Runwithwalter mentioned and then cut across back on to the course, thus cutting out distance and avoiding some nasty hills that the others had to run. I don't now the area, and as I said, can't be bothered researching further, but someone who knows for sure will enlighten you, maybe one of the Letsrun.com trolls.

Knowing the area it looks like she avoided the 2% inclines at around the 10.5 mile mark, 2% doesn't sound much, but when your legs are mashed from all that downhill...oh yeah, she also knocked off a bit of distance, so double bonus!!!

2:45?????? wrote:

Serious question. I totally agree with your analysis of her and I don't have instagram and have never seen hers. But...has she really run a 2:45 marathon? Was that legit? I can't see her running just over 6 minute pace for 26.2 miles, but I've been wrong before.

I ran in two of the 6 marathons Ashley ran in this year. She has indeed legitimately run 2:45. I was there. At Houston in January she ran 2:45. At St. George in October (a downhill course and not an OTQ course), she ran 2:42. The question here is not whether or not she is a fast talented runner. She has proven to be very good. She is a pro-triathlete. She got her pro card 2 years ago I believe. The question here is her unethical behavior. She knew she was off course and made the decision to cross the finish line with her timing chip, claiming a place in the race results. Her off-course route cut 1/4 mile and a 3 mile uphill section out of the course. She Then went about trying to cover it up by telling people she had passed them when she hadn’t. She had gotten ahead of them when she cut the course. There is a lot more to the story. Much more than is outlined in this thread.

Runmaster wrote:

There is a lot more to the story. Much more than is outlined in this thread.

It'll all come out, it always does, the LR truth seekers, sleuths and trolls are relentless.

Yours begrudgingly,

Terrie.

dunes runner wrote:

Please explain to me how the route she took from the wrong turn to the finish was downhill, while the route that everyone else took from that point to the finish was uphill? I certified courses in the 1970's and 80's, have run all my life and didn't realize that such an occurrence was possible.

You mean that you can't visualise a hill that was on the course but could be avoided by going off course ?

Well he is called dunes runner, not hill runner, so perhaps he's never encountered one.

Runwithwalter wrote:

I have screen shot copies of her Strava account before she locked it to public view. It shows her mile times and elevation and I compared it to the actual course. It is in the race officials procession right now as well as a few coaches that have paid over $10,000 dollars out of their own pockets to defend their athletes that are under them. This is NOT a joke. They are super upset and ready to end this girls passions and hard work over.

This was interesting and informative, but hard to follow. This last paragraph makes no sense. Who is paying $10,000 for what?

explain bro wrote:

Runwithwalter wrote:

I have screen shot copies of her Strava account before she locked it to public view. It shows her mile times and elevation and I compared it to the actual course. It is in the race officials procession right now as well as a few coaches that have paid over $10,000 dollars out of their own pockets to defend their athletes that are under them. This is NOT a joke. They are super upset and ready to end this girls passions and hard work over.

This was interesting and informative, but hard to follow. This last paragraph makes no sense. Who is paying $10,000 for what?

That confused me too. I have no idea what he's talking about.

This is the drug Ashley was busted on. Saying she didn’t know it was illegal. Not only is it a steroid illegal for all sports, it’s illegal to sell or buy in the US.

https://www.usada.org/substance-profile-ostarine/

‘In recent years, WADA has reported an increasing number of positive tests involving SARMs, and athletes who use these substances most likely obtain them through black market channels’, reads athlete advice from the US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) issued in July last year. ‘There are in fact products that contain ostarine, but only illegal ones. Given that ostarine is not approved for human use or consumption in the U.S., or in any other country, there are no legal medications that contain ostarine.’

So not only using steroids but buying it illegally on the black market. But she “didn’t know”

Also her claim that it was from a contaminated supplement is false. The USDA tests any supplement that the athlete says may have been contaminated for the markers of their positive test. They won’t charge the athlete if any shows up.

This lady has no conscience. Until she is called out. Then her response is “you don’t know me. If you did you’d know I don’t cheat.”

You weren’t there. If you were you’d see the damage caused by her leaving the race and posting her arms in the air and claiming her lies. SHE CHEATED. I’m over the board of having her running career putvto a halt. The coach of Sarah Sellers has already sent letters out to USATF. They called me. I am great friends with all these athletes that she is victimizing. You have no idea the damage caused here. If you did, no matter how good of friends you are with her you would not be involved. If you are even on the level of athletic prowess at she is, defending these actions is calling yourself out. She has been asked by her peers to take a drug test. If she doesn’t, she will have to run races that aren’t USATF CERTIFIED. THE FUN RUNS that are irrelevant to getting an olympic qualification or even sub level Boston qualifying. So her running is pretty much over at this point. If she wants to keep having people like you defend her.

The Race Director and I spoke for an hour showing the route she took vs. the actual course. It has flat in it but continuously drops vs. the other route. She was short .24 mile. That is 1:30 off her time. That would put her at running a 1:15:33 right there. Selina’s mile splits in the last 3 miles were 6:18,6:22,6:02. With incline. She ran 1:13:36. I was with Selina to mile 9. We were running some 4:53 pace miles at 4,5,6. Then our pace dropped to 5:3’s. The last 3 miles for all three of us, the 3rd, 4th and 5th place were all over 6 minute pace. It eats you up! Ashleys last 3 miles were 6:13 which is flat. 6:00 even which has drop then 6:12 which was a tenth of a mile from hitting stop. This course has been certified so her overall distance was .22-.24 short. If she was running a little over 6 pace she made up 30-40 seconds on the 1:17 runners who were hitting 7 pace on their last three miles.

The RD and I actually brought this pointb of her course up vs. those uphill endings that this course has. There is an actual trail to stay on to hit her course and make this easier for next year. So for that Ashley will be a pioneer. They may dub the ending Ashley’s finish. Lol that should help her minions get that good feel of hitting a thousand like quota per day!

No, I totally understand that's not the question, but I'm perplexed that someone running 2:45 for a marathon would cheat in another race.

I'm a male and I've run faster than that, but I can't fathom cheating in another race.

Yes, it's also quite obvious she's not on the up and up according to what many have posted here, but it's still bizarre behavior for someone who can legitimately run that fast. Like Kip Litton, she pulls the old I must have went off course excuse which typical cheaters do...easy excuse, plead ignorance.

Surely she has a super large ego, no doubt about it. She's the typical look at me 21st century social media lady yearning for attention and to be known.

But running 2:45 and cheating somewhere else is bizarre at best.

Thanks for the reply;)

Her route had 218’ of drop. All of her splits vs. the 4th place guy that finished 2 seconds ahead of her were similar to his running at a flat with uphill grade. And some drop. 120’ in the difference. All of Ashley’s vs. the 4th place guy for the whole route were 12.3 seconds average slower than his to mile ten. That is about 2 minutes. It shows you the difference of 3 minutes right there with the actual distance she shorted the course. I have a few races in California and St. George to measure next month. I will take my measurement from the finish line to the turnoff and compare it to the other certified measure and that can be your 3 minutes. They will probably add it to next years course minus the intersection she went through. At any rate, she cheated here. That’s what she’s being called out for. She must return to the point she left to continue to have it counted. She decided to not report it and see what she could get away with. All other info is irrelevant at this point. Now that she has cheated a simple fact as this she has to prove her innocence from this point on by coming clean with a drug test. She sent a letter to the race director explaining her mishap that I read but there is no apology in it to anyone.

I totally agree. Was Dunes runner there? No. Does he run at the level of the top 10 that finished? Probably not. I don’t know who he is. I was called out by a guy on her post on Instagram urbantrail.run that called me out for this same thing. Told me to come at him bro. Lol. He is in the same boat as this Dunes runner. Probably the same guy hiding behind his call sign. Probably the supplier of her illegal substances. I’m going to be looking into his involvement with her and bring him up with USATF for any races. He may have to produce a drug test as well. This could be a wide open blown up ring going on. I’m doing a speech with anyone on here that would like to join me on this to race directors in January and how this is destroying our passions and competing. ITS WRONG! Coach Pilkington has better things to do with his life other than paying 10’s of thousands of dollars out of his own pocket to defend his athletes. I hope Dunes isn’t a coach or coaching anyone. That will be the first thing to go is his license if he is.

You started out really strong with, what seemed like, good evidence, but you are going off the rails with your last few posts.

Keep to your evidence about this race.

2:45?????? wrote:

But running 2:45 and cheating somewhere else is bizarre at best.

Thanks for the reply;)

Not really that bizzare. If you follow elite cycling, there are several very well documented cases of some of the best athletes hanging onto cars to get a huge speed boost in the middle of a race while being clearly filmed on camera and with spectators around.