geb > bekele > kipchoge = el g
i will fight anyone who disagrees
geb > bekele > kipchoge = el g
i will fight anyone who disagrees
Bekele is the GOAT and it isn't close.
doot doot wrote:
Stopcecil! wrote:
A big aspect for proclaiming Kip the GOAT that no one has mentioned is CONSISTENCY. He has been winning marathons and running fast times in the marathon since 2013. He lost one marathon and it took a WR to beat him (only his second marathon and he PRed). Why are people impressed that Bekele got the distance right like 1 or two times when Kipchoge has shown consistent success that is absolutely unparalleled at the hardest distance (and now the most competitive) in athletics.
He’s damned consistent at marathon, yes. He’s the undisputed marathon GOAT. But ....
... save for Paris 5k, which while it is a godly victory over El G and Bekele, don’t get me wrong, but I believe this is given too much weight in this discussion regarding his track prowess. (There’s no point really digging into Kipchoge’s WXC when Bekele so thoroughly trounced everyone forever. I seem to recall seeing him shut it completely down in the home stretch, losing places, before practically staggering across crossing the line one particularly brutal year...) He’s never been an “also-ran” by any measure but he’s not Bekele or even Geb. I wish TrackBot could compare Kipchoge and Sihine on the track just for fun...
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Mo Farah is in not anywhere near GOAT discussion. He’s probably in the pantheon of greats but not taking any medals. The scalps he’s taken are trivial. His non-1500 and HM PRs are trivial. He barely beat fvckin Chelimo in Rio... He would have been embarrassed in the uber-Ethio exhibition 5k this year. He’d be off the back but probably PR thus sealing all the misplaced speculation about his underachievements in time trials. Show me where Mo’s ever mixed it up in a HARD RACE. He doesn’t have the grit. End of story.
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@ the troll LARPing on about the importance of road championships you’re either clueless about the significance of these events or intentionally taking a delusional position, which is fine. Doesn’t Kamworororeo have a number of these titles lol? But it is what it is...
I agree Bekele is the GOAT and Kip is of course marathon GOAT, but you're too quick to dismiss Farah. He will end up with range from 3:28 to 2:03, and I definitely disagree on the 5K a few weeks back - he would've put those Ethiopians to bed the same as he's done so many times before........
No. He maybe marathon GOAT but not overall distance GOAT and definitely not athletics GOAT. Those go to Kenenisa Bekele and Carl Lewis (hate to admit it ) respectively.
Haile Geb is the goat. Bekele #2. Kipchoge #3.
doot doot wrote:
... His non-1500 and HM PRs are trivial.
Ha ha, this made me spray a mouthful of my morning coffee across the room. Thanks for the laugh...
Must have really burned to have conceded that when then wanting to contend that the DOUBLE OLYMPIC 5K CHAMPION couldn't cut it at, er, 5k! Ha ha ha...
Moran!
Bad Wigins wrote:
Trackbot! compare kenenisa bekele vs eliud kipchoge
Unfortunately Trackbot! was murdered by a pair of unscrupulous men, say no more but like all icons he did leave us some incredible wisdom.
Head-to-head record between Kenenisa Bekele (left) and Eliud Kipchoge (right):
Bislett Oslo 2003-06-27: 5000 m: 12:52.26 (1) VS 12:52.61(3)
Bislett Oslo 2003-06-27: 3000 m: 7:45.2h (2) VS 7:45.8h (5)
WC Saint-Denis 2003-08-31: 5000 m: 12:53.12 (3) VS 12:52.79 (1)
WC Bruxelles 2004-03-21: Cross Country 12.0 km: 35:52 (1) VS 36:34 (4)
OG Athens 2004-08-28: 5000 m: 13:14.59 (2) VS 13:15.10 (3)
WC Saint-Galmier 2005-03-20: Cross Country 12.0 km: 35:06 (1) VS 35:37 (5)
WC Moskva 2006-03-12: 3000 m: 7:39.32 (1) VS 7:42.58 (3)
GGala Roma 2006-07-14: 5000 m: 12:51.44 (1) VS 12:54.94 (6)
Norw Union London 2006-07-28: 5000 m: 13:00.04 (2) VS 13:01.74 (4)
WK Zurich 2006-08-18: 5000 m: 12:48.25 (1) VS 12:57.69 (3)
VD Bruxelles 2006-08-25: 5000 m: 12:48.09 (1) VS 13:01.88 (2)
Edinburgh 2007-01-13: Cross Country 9.3 km: 28:14 (1) VS 28:51 (3)
Edinburgh 2008-01-12: Cross Country 9.3 km: 27:42 (1) VS 27:43 (3)
OG Beijing 2008-08-23: 5000 m: 12:57.82 (1) VS 13:02.80 (2)
WC Berlin 2009-08-23: 5000 m: 13:17.09 (1) VS 13:18.95 (5)
WAF Thessalonaki 2009-09-12: 3000 m: 8:03.79 (1) VS 8:07.26 (9)
Great Edinb Edinburgh 2010-01-09: Cross Country 9.0 km: 29:17 (4) VS 29:04 (3)
VD Bruxelles 2011-09-16: 10000 m: 26:43.16 (1) VS 26:53.27 (5)
BUPA Edinburgh 2012-01-07: Cross Country 3.0 km: 9:42 (11) VS 9:26 (3)
Diamond Doha 2012-05-11: 3000 m: 7:40.00 (7) VS 7:31.40 (2)
Areva Saint-Denis 2012-07-06: 5000 m: 12:55.79 (9) VS 12:55.34 (8)
BankOfAm Chicago IL 2014-10-12: Marathon: 2:05:51 (4) VS 2:04:11 (1)
Virgin Money London 2016-04-24: Marathon: 2:06:36 (3) VS 2:03:05 (1)
Kenenisa "MF" Bekele total wins: 16
Eliud "DEVASTATED" Kipchoge total wins: 7
Since this the two men have met twice Berlin 2017 and London 2018, Kipchoge won both. So the head to head now stands at 16 to 9.
Ah the return of Doot Doot ?
Need I remind you that El Guerrouj never lost to Bekele?
I like Moroccan runners ?
Seriously bruh wrote:
Doesn’t make any sense. So with that “logic” I guess zersaney tadesse is a greater runner tha Bekele because he has medals in road ( half marathon), World XC, and Track? Do you you feel comfortable calling Z- Man a greater distance runner than Bekele because that’s basically what you’re doing?
No. Because Geb is obviously a better candidate.
Bekele can’t be the GOAT, but he’s still better than Tadese at XC, track, and the marathon. But this is about the overall distance GOAT, not specific disciplines.
epicTCK wrote:
Only reason he used that standard of greatness is because thats the only standard with which he could declare kipchoge goat
But did I ever say that? No. Kipchoge is a better candidate for overall GOAT than Bekele, but Geb is obviously the best choice.
epicTCK wrote:
And as you mentioned, kipchoge isn’t even Goat according to his own standard, because Geb would beat him. and tadese would beat bekele too. And perhaps kamworor.
Tadese and Kamworor are better candidates for overall GOAT but they, like Kipchoge, fail because Geb is far and away the best choice.
Bekele can be GOAT at individual disciplines without being considered the overall GOAT. It doesn’t mean Kipchoge, Tadese, or Kamworor would beat him in every race because the title ‘overall GOAT’ by definition doesn’t apply to any specific discipline.
epicTCK wrote:
His standard falls apart completely.
Assertion. Back it up.
I don't know about GOAT, but Kipchoge's marathon WR rates 1316 points in the IAAF Scoring Tables, which equates to 12:31.72 5k and 26:05.24 10k, so it's a better performance than Bekele's WRs, according to the tables.
El G owned Bekele every time they raced. It was a thing of beauty to watch.
Cool thing about El Guerrouj was his absolute dominance. He didn't lose a single time in 1996 before tripping in the Olympic Final 1500m. He then went undefeated in 1997 until the final race, a Grand Prix in JPN in a 4:04 race!! He then ripped off undefeated seasons in 1998, 1999, and 2000 until he lost to Noah Ngeny in that now famous Olympic 1500m Final. He then went undefeated in 2001, 2002, and into 2003 with a record of 100-2 before placing 2nd to Kipchoge in that 5000m Final in Paris. Three losses in 7 years!!
The man has probably the fewest losses on his resume of any multiple Olympic champion.
Long live the GOAT.
kjk wrote:
Cool thing about El Guerrouj was his absolute dominance. He didn't lose a single time in 1996 before tripping in the Olympic Final 1500m. He then went undefeated in 1997 until the final race, a Grand Prix in JPN in a 4:04 race!! He then ripped off undefeated seasons in 1998, 1999, and 2000 until he lost to Noah Ngeny in that now famous Olympic 1500m Final. He then went undefeated in 2001, 2002, and into 2003 with a record of 100-2 before placing 2nd to Kipchoge in that 5000m Final in Paris. Three losses in 7 years!!
The man has probably the fewest losses on his resume of any multiple Olympic champion.
Long live the GOAT.
But couldn’t you say the same thing about Bekele?
Undefeated in 10,000m for his first 11? Races. And then on track I think he didn’t lose from 2006 to 2009 in golden league and WC races
Tron wrote:
kjk wrote:
Cool thing about El Guerrouj was his absolute dominance. He didn't lose a single time in 1996 before tripping in the Olympic Final 1500m. He then went undefeated in 1997 until the final race, a Grand Prix in JPN in a 4:04 race!! He then ripped off undefeated seasons in 1998, 1999, and 2000 until he lost to Noah Ngeny in that now famous Olympic 1500m Final. He then went undefeated in 2001, 2002, and into 2003 with a record of 100-2 before placing 2nd to Kipchoge in that 5000m Final in Paris. Three losses in 7 years!!
The man has probably the fewest losses on his resume of any multiple Olympic champion.
Long live the GOAT.
But couldn’t you say the same thing about Bekele?
Undefeated in 10,000m for his first 11? Races. And then on track I think he didn’t lose from 2006 to 2009 in golden league and WC races
The 5000 and 10000 have a lot fewer upsets than either the 1500 or the marathon. Look at what Mo Farah did.
El G is seriously underrated, I think because we just all take it for granted that he doped.
Range matters wrote:
JNathletics wrote:
But Kipchoge lost in the Olympics twice to Bekele 2004 and 2008 in which Bekele won the 10K before the 5k each year. Bekele also set the OR 12:57.82 in his 2008 win, one of the many records he holds. along with 3 Olympic golds. Kipchoge now has one.
18 WC golds - Bekele, 2 WC golds Kipchoge.
It's not even close.
Bekele is the GOAT.
Kipchoge is superior in range of medals across disciplines and distances. Bekele has no medals in championship road running, which is why his claim to GOAT fails.
Road running isn't as competitive as track though. How many marathons will all of the world's best marathoners line up for? None. Ethiopia didn't even let Bekele run the Olympic marathon in Rio. Either way Bekele has both more records and titles in more events than kipchoge. I don't see how that's a comparison. As for the person mentioning Mo. Mo lacks fast times to go with his dominance. And for anyone mentioning geb. It's very close but bekele just has faster times
listen up homo wrote:
geb > bekele > kipchoge = el g
i will fight anyone who disagrees
BEKELE
GEB
EL G
MO
LAGAT
KOMEN
Fight me
imo, it's Bekele > Geb > Kipchoge. If we're talking marathon only, it's obviously Kipchoge
Bekele GOAT of distance runners, overall.
Kipchoge GOAT of all marathoners, ever.
Gebrselassie GOAT in more ways than just running, much as Muhammad Ali was the GOAT.