Parker Stinson Monster Pre-Chicago 35k workout

You're acting like this guy just trains and brags about his workouts and then has no good race results to back it up. He lost US half champs by 1 second to CD and beat the sh*t out of Leonard Korir . Just beat a lot of top American names at beach 2 Beacon in his last race.

People complain that marathoners just race twice a year and you don't hear anything else. This guy is just sharing his story of his marathon build up

"Nobody ran enough mileage in the 90s, everyone thought low volume was key."

"Parker overdid it with his 35K effort. No matter Kipchoge and Kipsang do similar things, he overdid it."

And I'll sit her behind a keyboard and be irrelevant like the rest of you.

NewtotheSouthSide wrote:

Lotta haters on here but I want to see Parker do well. It's cool to see one of the few marathoners the US has that can even do this workout doing this workout. No, you cannot compare Parker to Kipchoge but how do you run a fast marathon? By training for a fast marathon. This is so far in advance of Chicago. Kipchoge did a 40km tempo at higher altitude the 10 days before Berlin last year. Many would say that is too much even for the GOAT before a marathon but the guy dropped a 2:03:30. You don't run sub-2:10 without doing hard, long runs, like the one Parker did.

Well said.

Where is the video of the workout?

I was always a fat mediocre scrub.....but I ran my two best marathons with a 30k race at marathon pace 4 weeks out.

I think many commenting have never trained for a marathon.

Many runners in the 80s would run marathons in back to back months....

Lydiard’s marathon plan actually called for a full marathon time trial at 4 weeks out.

Quit pretending a long hard effort puts you on your back for weeks. It doesn’t. That’s why you train. It’s called adaptation.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

I was always a fat mediocre scrub.....but I ran my two best marathons with a 30k race at marathon pace 4 weeks out.

I think many commenting have never trained for a marathon.

Many runners in the 80s would run marathons in back to back months....

Lydiard’s marathon plan actually called for a full marathon time trial at 4 weeks out.

Quit pretending a long hard effort puts you on your back for weeks. It doesn’t. That’s why you train. It’s called adaptation.

Alan

You don`t have to " open the oven to check if the buns are ready" before scheduled time. Wait with the hard long effort until race day.

2:15 prediction here

safasdfasfsdaf wrote:

He will crash and burn. You don' want your best workouts before the race.

you want strong workouts with potential for improvement in the final month or so. This is coaching 101

What???? That's slower than his projected race pace! Are you guys all hobby joggers????

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

I was always a fat mediocre scrub.....but I ran my two best marathons with a 30k race at marathon pace 4 weeks out.

I think many commenting have never trained for a marathon.

Many runners in the 80s would run marathons in back to back months....

Lydiard’s marathon plan actually called for a full marathon time trial at 4 weeks out.

Quit pretending a long hard effort puts you on your back for weeks. It doesn’t. That’s why you train. It’s called adaptation.

Alan

You don`t have to " open the oven to check if the buns are ready" before scheduled time. Wait with the hard long effort until race day.

You're clearly not a coach. That quote you posted says it all.

It's called a workout, a hard one a month out.

Clearly he should stop training and just rest for a month. Did you just get released from the asylum yesterday...or the day before?

You don`t have to " open the oven to check if the buns are ready" before scheduled time. Wait with the hard long effort until race day.

You don`t have to " open the oven to check if the buns are ready" before scheduled time. Wait with the hard long effort until race day.[/quote]

I agree. I used to laugh at my buddies when they bragged about their pace on one of their last long runs before a marathon.

Huapango wrote:

You don`t have to " open the oven to check if the buns are ready" before scheduled time. Wait with the hard long effort until race day.

You don`t have to " open the oven to check if the buns are ready" before scheduled time. Wait with the hard long effort until race day.

I agree. I used to laugh at my buddies when they bragged about their pace on one of their last long runs before a marathon.[/quote]

This isn't his last long run? You're comparing this to your buddies running a good pace for their last long run 10-14 days out from the marathon. This was done over 4 weeks away. I am sure he will have plenty of slow easier long runs in which he will not care about pace.

didnt kipchoge run 15 x K at 8,000ft on dirt at 2:48 down to 2:37 20 days out from Berlin? I feel like that workout and timeline is harder to recover from.

Everything I've been seeing from the Robertsons, wanders, moen, East Africans is they all overtrain for years and everyone hates and then everyone is quick to jump on their bandwagon when all the hard work pays off.

Maybe stinson is over training...but he's not going to run sub 2:10 off of raw talent. At least what we are seeing here is someone who is working hard to break Americans satisfaction with 2:12 performances.

I'm calling 2:11:10 at Chicago but 2:09:20 before career is done

TG

Nope. I don't feel that same fanboy desperation. You may be right, kids these days seeing Parker Stinson's workout posts on Instafacetweet could be flocking to the sport like never before. I'm sure you have the data to back up your beliefs, I honestly just don't give a sh*t what he or anyone else does in that regard.

FFF wrote:

"Nobody ran enough mileage in the 90s, everyone thought low volume was key."

"Parker overdid it with his 35K effort. No matter Kipchoge and Kipsang do similar things, he overdid it."

And I'll sit her behind a keyboard and be irrelevant like the rest of you.

Lol AGAIN with the Kipchoge comparisons.... do you really need it explained to you why a seasoned, strong veteran who has nearly broken 2 hours is a bit different than Parker Stinson performing a dick measuring contest for his Instagram followers?

Parker will easily beat Rupp.

Parker is a "Realist"! He doesn't indulge in fantasies about what he's gonna do and he knows that he has to put the work in, even more so than many others. It's not going to fall into his lap like it does for others who need less of a refinement on their stock of talents and natural abilities. The capability is absolutely there in him but he has his "good and bad days" and can tank really hard if he hits it wrong. Stylistically, he's as good dynamically as some of the best Japanese runners who are damn hungry to win and keep up with the rest of the marathoning World, but he just has to let go and allow his body to do the work its capable of. That is an impressive monster workout and he's on track for a really 'Big One'. He should stay with the 'secondary group' and let them carry him to a 2:08-2:11 time. If he hangs with the Kenyans & Rupp, he'll burnout and drop. Steady & consistently even splits - and he get the results he absolutely deserves!

Sesamoiditis wrote:

FFF wrote:

Nobody says this sort of thing when Kipchoge does it. He'll run this long, a bit faster, and at like 47,000 foot altitude, and it seems to work for him.

Stinson hit the wall last time around. Maybe this is the long run he'll need. That's all this is.

Kipchoge does not run faster than that. See below his training leading up to Berlin last year.

http://www.sweatelite.co/eliud-kipchoge-full-training-log-leading-marathon-world-record-attempt/

Thurs Aug 31

AM 40km Tempo Run: 2hr13min (5:21)

Thu Sep 7

AM 30km Tempo Run: 1hr42min – challenging course and conditions today. (5:28)

Thu Sep 14

PM 40km Tempo Run: 2hrs15min – challenging cross country course (5:26 pace)

——

AGREED; plus Kipchoge is a 2:03 guy in a real race not a 1:03 half marathoner living the dream ...in Boulder

Billyburr wrote:

Sesamoiditis wrote:

Kipchoge does not run faster than that. See below his training leading up to Berlin last year.

http://www.sweatelite.co/eliud-kipchoge-full-training-log-leading-marathon-world-record-attempt/

Thurs Aug 31

AM 40km Tempo Run: 2hr13min (5:21)

Thu Sep 7

AM 30km Tempo Run: 1hr42min – challenging course and conditions today. (5:28)

Thu Sep 14

PM 40km Tempo Run: 2hrs15min – challenging cross country course (5:26 pace)

——

AGREED; plus Kipchoge is a 2:03 guy in a real race not a 1:03 half marathoner living the dream ...in Boulder

What if he was actually a 1:02 half marathoner living the dream?

TG6 wrote:

Huapango wrote:

You don`t have to " open the oven to check if the buns are ready" before scheduled time. Wait with the hard long effort until race day.

I agree. I used to laugh at my buddies when they bragged about their pace on one of their last long runs before a marathon.

This isn't his last long run? You're comparing this to your buddies running a good pace for their last long run 10-14 days out from the marathon. This was done over 4 weeks away. I am sure he will have plenty of slow easier long runs in which he will not care about pace.

didnt kipchoge run 15 x K at 8,000ft on dirt at 2:48 down to 2:37 20 days out from Berlin? I feel like that workout and timeline is harder to recover from.

Everything I've been seeing from the Robertsons, wanders, moen, East Africans is they all overtrain for years and everyone hates and then everyone is quick to jump on their bandwagon when all the hard work pays off.

Maybe stinson is over training...but he's not going to run sub 2:10 off of raw talent. At least what we are seeing here is someone who is working hard to break Americans satisfaction with 2:12 performances.

I'm calling 2:11:10 at Chicago but 2:09:20 before career is done

TG[/quote]

You might be right about overtraining for years, but Parker has not been over training for years like them. The arguments on this thread or about how he will do in Chicago not years from now.

FFF wrote:

"Nobody ran enough mileage in the 90s, everyone thought low volume was key."

"Parker overdid it with his 35K effort. No matter Kipchoge and Kipsang do similar things, he overdid it."

And I'll sit her behind a keyboard and be irrelevant like the rest of you.

I don't necessarily think that Stinson did anything wrong with the workout, but we don't know what to make of it.

I feel confident that if the fitness Stinson showed with that workout is enough to win the race, then he will win the race.

But of course he will be well back in the race. He may go out too hard or lose contact too early. It makes for more bombs when you're a tier behind the studs.

If Kipchoge had to race a bunch of 1:58 guys all the time, I'm sure he'd have dropped a 2:01 at some point, but also some 2:06+ races.