Who would pay for the security for Israel vs Iran in Tehran? wrote:
Think about the rioting if Israel beat Iran in soccer, I could see lunatics trying to storm the pitch and the Iranian army having to shoot protestors. That's why Israel will never be part of the Asian sports federation.
Iran will never play Israel, they would forfeit the match as their athletes have done in the past. Other countries won't give Israelis visas.
coach wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Of they were considered European even if bigots disagreed.
Israel was not formed on waste land, it was land stolen from people already living and farming there.
Malaria swamp lands, the arava and negev deserts?
People already lived there regardless of how you wish to present it.
El Keniano wrote:
Get your facts straight. She was a nanny for a Kenyan family in Israel (ambassador or chargé d'affaires, can't remember) when she met her Israeli husband, who's also her coach. I wouldn't call her plastic, but she still spends a lot of time in Kenya. Yasmin Can, on the other hand, has never lived in Turkey and refused to move there. I think going with Salpeter's near suicidal surge is what did her in.
I speculate that Yasmin Can may be the next expendable athlete to fail an out of competition test in Kenya. - I imagine the athletic aficionados within Kenya are less than enamoured by her disloyalty....
Hardloper wrote:
Funny how Jews were never considered European despite living there for centuries, but when they move to what was a desert wasteland they're "European colonialists"
Many Jews were and are considered European, and Europe would not be what it is without Jews, any more than without many of the other peoples who have resided there. Only the zealots do not consider European Jews to be part of Europe. And regarding your “wasteland” comment, you have no idea what you are talking about. It is part of the Zionist myth to call the pre-1947 region “a wasteland” because they wanted to undermine the right of non-Jews to live there by implying that they had not cared for the land. In truth some areas were arid, some were verdant. It was not a wasteland.
Yeah yeah wrote:
This thread seems like much ado about nothing.
The regional champs are a joke. I enjoy seeing athletes from a diverse range of countries in the Worlds and Olympics, that's the whole point of them. Euros is supposed to be for Europeans.
Funny how this site is perpetually up in arms about the rights of women to not be forced to compete against Caster Semenya but are quite happy for Europeans to be forced to compete against Africa and Asia in their own champs. Even the latest Turkish champ from last night isn't from Turkey, he's an allegiance transfer from another country not affiliated to the Euros.
Why can't you look this up yourself? Guliyev is from Azerbaidjan which is competing in the Euros.
They have a young triple jumper, Babayev, and another one, Copello, originally from Cuba (so they apparently have to replace those leaving for Turkey with others from the Caribbean)...
El Keniano wrote:
Those are actually Ethiopian Jews (look up 'falashas') who like all Jewish people around the world, have a right to Israeli citizenship. They are heavily discriminated against in modern Israel but they still as Jewish as Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews.
True. There is a huge push by some hardcore religious types in Israel to call all marriages - like this 10K winner being married to a Jew - null, void, invalid because Jews should only marry Jews. Quite disturbing.
Israel should sort out its diplomatic status before the world decides where it competes internationally. Sports are the least of the Israel-related issues, by far. By light years.
If "European culture" gets you into the Euro champs, Canada should be in too. Same with much of the Caribbean, maybe even the US east coast.
The overall moral of this thread, once again, is that Europeans are fanatically stupid. Their awkward attempts to make up for their historical crimes only end up repeating them, because they have yet to give up their arrogant faith in their own virtue.
Barbara Lerner Spectre wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Those are actually Ethiopian Jews (look up 'falashas') who like all Jewish people around the world, have a right to Israeli citizenship. They are heavily discriminated against in modern Israel but they still as Jewish as Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews.
True. There is a huge push by some hardcore religious types in Israel to call all marriages - like this 10K winner being married to a Jew - null, void, invalid because Jews should only marry Jews. Quite disturbing.
First hand, one of the most unflinchingly racist places on earth. Won't even go into the politics because I'm not looking to get banned, but not that dissimilar to apartheid South Africa. I don't understand how a Kenyan would willingly move there. But fair play to Lonah, she now has a major title.
Europe isn't the world wrote:
Yeah yeah wrote:
This thread seems like much ado about nothing.
The regional champs are a joke. I enjoy seeing athletes from a diverse range of countries in the Worlds and Olympics, that's the whole point of them. Euros is supposed to be for Europeans.
Funny how this site is perpetually up in arms about the rights of women to not be forced to compete against Caster Semenya but are quite happy for Europeans to be forced to compete against Africa and Asia in their own champs. Even the latest Turkish champ from last night isn't from Turkey, he's an allegiance transfer from another country not affiliated to the Euros.
I’m sorry that you have your panties in a bunch over immigration, but that’s the way of the world so you are complaining over nothing.
El Keniano wrote:
Barbara Lerner Spectre wrote:
True. There is a huge push by some hardcore religious types in Israel to call all marriages - like this 10K winner being married to a Jew - null, void, invalid because Jews should only marry Jews. Quite disturbing.
First hand, one of the most unflinchingly racist places on earth. Won't even go into the politics because I'm not looking to get banned, but not that dissimilar to apartheid South Africa. I don't understand how a Kenyan would willingly move there. But fair play to Lonah, she now has a major title.
FYI, Israel treats blacks 100 times better than Muslim countries like Libya, Saudi Arabia, Qatar... where they are literally sold on slave markets. Even their prophet had a blacks slave.
Josh Levin wrote:
Nationalism is a European construct. Period. It has been exported elsewhere, sure. The countries you mention are examples of that. As for your second paragraph, I have very little opinion on the matter. I was born in Israel and left, and I am no longer allowed to return because I have worked for justice for Palestinians. In my humble opinion Israel might have had a shot at being accepted by the Asian nations had it conducted itself with greater compassion and enlightened self interest. Instead it chose to engage in activities such as selling weapons to South Africa, enacting apartheid, etc. It is not accepted by its neighbors in part because of their own bad attitude, but also because of it's own bad attitude. All a tragedy. The fact that Israel's athletes cannot compete in some places is a shame, but the children with worms and eye problems because of fetid water on the Gaza strip is rather more sad. Don't mean to sound preachy, because I happen to love track and field. I also love humanity though.
Showing compassion to Muslims is a great way to have your country destroyed and your people exterminated.
That's exactly what would happen if Israel lost one war against its Arab neighbors.
I don't think the Israelis will lose sleep over a traitor who ran away and who helped terrorists.
iiiiiii wrote:
Josh Levin wrote:
Nationalism is a European construct. Period. It has been exported elsewhere, sure. The countries you mention are examples of that. As for your second paragraph, I have very little opinion on the matter. I was born in Israel and left, and I am no longer allowed to return because I have worked for justice for Palestinians. In my humble opinion Israel might have had a shot at being accepted by the Asian nations had it conducted itself with greater compassion and enlightened self interest. Instead it chose to engage in activities such as selling weapons to South Africa, enacting apartheid, etc. It is not accepted by its neighbors in part because of their own bad attitude, but also because of it's own bad attitude. All a tragedy. The fact that Israel's athletes cannot compete in some places is a shame, but the children with worms and eye problems because of fetid water on the Gaza strip is rather more sad. Don't mean to sound preachy, because I happen to love track and field. I also love humanity though.
Showing compassion to Muslims is a great way to have your country destroyed and your people exterminated.
That's exactly what would happen if Israel lost one war against its Arab neighbors.
I don't think the Israelis will lose sleep over a traitor who ran away and who helped terrorists.
Josh responded to me and as much as I disagree with him, I respect his stance and some of his actions and agree that Israel has and is guilty of criminal activities. However no more so than any of its neighbors. I applaud Jews for speaking out for humanity but he is naive to think that Israel's lack of acceptance is based on its lack of compassion. Everyone of Israel's neighbors is less than compassionate to its own people and the countries around it. Where is the outrage over Syria? Where is the outrage over Yemen? Does anyone care about Yazidis or Kurds? You're right that Josh compassionate acts will not endear him to many of his neighbors but he has a moral obligation to voice these opinions and Israel hopefully will become better for it.
iiiiiii wrote:
Showing compassion to Muslims is a great way to have your country destroyed and your people exterminated.
That's exactly what would happen if Israel lost one war against its Arab neighbors.
I don't think the Israelis will lose sleep over a traitor who ran away and who helped terrorists.
It's not the Muslims who have been repeatedly kicked out of nation after nation over the past several centuries.
That would be Jews.
Seems showing compassion to them has always backfired
Racist Please wrote:
iiiiiii wrote:
Showing compassion to Muslims is a great way to have your country destroyed and your people exterminated.
That's exactly what would happen if Israel lost one war against its Arab neighbors.
I don't think the Israelis will lose sleep over a traitor who ran away and who helped terrorists.
It's not the Muslims who have been repeatedly kicked out of nation after nation over the past several centuries.
That would be Jews.
Seems showing compassion to them has always backfired
You and your prejudice are the reason why Jews need an Israel.
coach wrote:
Racist Please wrote:
It's not the Muslims who have been repeatedly kicked out of nation after nation over the past several centuries.
That would be Jews.
Seems showing compassion to them has always backfired
You and your prejudice are the reason why Jews need an Israel.
Just stating the facts. You ignore the facts to arrive at your pre-ordained conclusion that racist behavior by Israel because its Arab neighbors are just so evil. I post the historical facts. Sorry you are in denial
What?
There is discrimination everywhere in the world, in the USA it gave rise to Black Lives Matter. In Israel it was not easy for people who often came from African village life to adapt to modern fast paced Israel. It was also not easy for Israelis to easily bridge that gap. Yet by most accounts, it has been an overall success. 2nd and 3rd generation Ethiopian origin Israelis are exactly that, Israelis in every sense of the word.
Typical anti-semitic garbage. Why would Israel go to great lengths to help thousands of Ethiopians escape extreme poverty, discrimination and bring them to Israel in order to sterilize them? Ethiopians are full members of Israeli society. Is there discrimination? Yes, just like there is everywhere including the USA.
Then the phrase "Jewish Victimhood" What is that supposed to mean? I am Israeli. My Mother survived Auschwitz and Mauthausen concentration camps with brutal beatings, extreme starvation and slave labour. Did your Mother have an inventory number on her arm?
My Grandparents , Great Grandparents, Aunt and her 3 year old boy were murdered simply for being Jewish. My Grandmother was one of 10 siblings and they only survivor among them lost his first wife and four children. This is just a tiny slice of my family that was destroyed. None of them could defend themselves.
Now in Israel, we can defend ourselves in a sea of butchery and hate (Syria, over 500,000 murdered by Assad and the primary backers of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hizbollah, Iran)
So, you have to take a talk about athletes competing in an event and throw in your Jew Hating poison.
So, the murder of most of my family in Auschwitz from a sleepy village in Hungary was because people had shown them compassion and it backfired? Does that include the 1.5 million Jewish children starved, shot and gassed?