Kenyan sprinter fails drugs test

It is crazy how many are on revealed to be on dope. It is like when there is some food that is really nice but then you look at the ingredients and find out there is msg in it to enhance the taste and become unnatural. What a disappointment.

epic, well done covette, freedom of speech, gotta love it.

actually you've got some content, thanks.

certainly what i say about PEDs is not the be all and end all, but there is a lot that goes into my statements, puns and mocking aside.

what i know about peds is scattered, but i've been around, have hands on experience in a lot of areas, but certainly not in the class of a charlie francis.

people in my circles knew charlie, and his input i consider golden, on or off the record.

kenyans taking steroids in the ben johnson era, is no surprise, but when exactly they got going

deserves inspection.

as for the blood doping thing, and who did what, you have many confessions from the doctors and people who did it.

i'm sure there is much to be learned about the details, of who, what, when, how, why.

the history of PEDs follows gurus transferring to other gurus, like the scandinavian blood doping success which spread, like the tour de France success with EPO, outward.

it's not that i'm for or against a particular group using PEDs, only when one guy or group is really doing something very different from the rest, and then spouts off about how they are so great, and clean, and such a model citizen.

PEDs have nothing what so ever to do with skin color, it's about winning at all costs.

it's about the Ego, and being somebody,

we men wanna have the biggest weiner and be a somebody.

it's pathetic.

Whatley wrote:

Kenyans sprinters could could whatever they wanted to do, hell...voodoo....they would still suck.

Kenya is like Samoa, the Phillipines, a totally speed unfriendly physique.

Yes, without distance running they are horrible athletes.

ohbk wrote:

Whatley wrote:

Kenyans sprinters could could whatever they wanted to do, hell...voodoo....they would still suck.

Kenya is like Samoa, the Phillipines, a totally speed unfriendly physique.

Yes, without distance running they are horrible athletes.

Yeah, I was looking at the sprint times of the Kenyan athletics trials for the Commonwealth Games this year and an 11 second 100m would have gotten you into the final.

Samoans aren't built for speed, but when they can sprint they are frightening to behold. Jonah Lomu ran a sub 11 second 100m at age 14 and was still as quick as a 19 stone rugby player.

longjack wrote:

the africans were the last on board with PEDs, an entirely western invention.

But how do we know this? I personally view cheating as pan-racial, but to say that Europeans etc were doping the 1980s (or earlier) and Africans weren't might not be true either. After WW2 poor parts of the world were flooded with medicines via the UN, WHO, World Bank, NGOs, USA AID, Scandinavian generosity, EUROPEAN Aid, USSR..... Often the crooks running these countries withheld vital meds from their people. But it is also a stretch to say that they couldn't have gotten PEDs. If from the late 1980s western runners were randomly tested for steroids they were at a disadvantage to those who could use epo and steroids in combination.

jeff tallon wrote:

dbol is dianabol,a very popular bulking steroid,taken in pill form.sprinters use it,in a combination with cutting steroids like winstol(stanozolol),and anavar,which are also oral.bodybuilders use it as well,so do weightlifters,and cyclists.

Only completely moronic track athletes would use orals at this point. Long clearance, signature metabolites. Only an athlete from a desperate situation would use orals, and they would be caught--unless they were a junior, of course...which is where it all starts, btw.

Whatley wrote:

Kenyans sprinters could could whatever they wanted to do, hell...voodoo....they would still suck.

Kenya is like Samoa, the Phillipines, a totally speed unfriendly physique.

Kenya has 11 sub 45 400m runners (NR 44.18 -better than the European Record and also better than the Samoan NR of 49.45). I've not checked, but I think Samoa has less than that. Kenya also has won Gold and Silver in the relay at the Olympics. Samoa not even medaled.

Kenyan 200m NR (20.14) also is slightly better than the Samoan NR (22.43) (and also better than the German NR - including GDR athletes).

Sprintgeezer wrote:

jeff tallon wrote:

dbol is dianabol,a very popular bulking steroid,taken in pill form.sprinters use it,in a combination with cutting steroids like winstol(stanozolol),and anavar,which are also oral.bodybuilders use it as well,so do weightlifters,and cyclists.

Only completely moronic track athletes would use orals at this point. Long clearance, signature metabolites. Only an athlete from a desperate situation would use orals, and they would be caught--unless they were a junior, of course...which is where it all starts, btw.

The latest scoop is dopers are injecting microdose amounts of steroids & T right through competition and testing clean as a whistle:

true kenya hasn't yet had a great sprinter, but really, africa has very, very few sprinters of world class ever.

nor south america.

few african countries have a NR as low as kenya in the 100, 200,400.

but you can't argue that africa doesn't have good sprint genetics.

but obviously the super fast twitch gene is not as abundant in some places as others, but it is everywhere.

in baseball, the japanese guys are among the fastest down the base paths.

in soccer, the fastest guys randomly come from everywhere.

surely though the caribbean and south usa is a hot spot for the speed gene, which leads to the good training, and a lot of people doing it, throw in PEDs and you have what you have, or had.

none the less, you will have some guy out of mongolia or tibet, that will hit sub 10, and there is no reason at all why a chinese guy can't go 9.8 or faster...

Subway Surfers wrote:

longjack wrote:

the africans were the last on board with PEDs, an entirely western invention.

But how do we know this? I personally view cheating as pan-racial, but to say that Europeans etc were doping the 1980s (or earlier) and Africans weren't might not be true either. After WW2 poor parts of the world were flooded with medicines via the UN, WHO, World Bank, NGOs, USA AID, Scandinavian generosity, EUROPEAN Aid, USSR..... Often the crooks running these countries withheld vital meds from their people. But it is also a stretch to say that they couldn't have gotten PEDs. If from the late 1980s western runners were randomly tested for steroids they were at a disadvantage to those who could use epo and steroids in combination.

Yeah, and it's somewhat suspicious that Kenya made its breakthrough immediately after a British/European sports science graduate, who was waxing lyrical about the 'rift valley supermen' in the 1950s ,goes over there and basically takes over their athletics federation.

The Soviet Union supported Ethiopia in the Cold War (at least from 1979) and Yifter the Shifter goes to Moscow in 80 and wins double Gold. Nothing to see here.

Also seems a coincidence that Kenya began its domination of the medal tables at almost at the very same time communism was collapsing and the Berlin Wall came down.

said88 wrote:

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Kenyan 200m NR (20.14) also is slightly better than the Samoan NR (22.43) (and also better than the German NR - including GDR athletes).

The Kenyan set that 200 record in Clermont (always bizarre fast one-off times) with a +1.9 wind. The German set their record of 20.20 with a +0.7 wind, so it's actually a better record even though that time is not even in the top 10 for European NRs.

Also, Reus ran a German NR of 10.01 in the 100. The NR for Kenya is 10.14...at altitude! They are far worse sprinters.

I wonder if any other country has a dubious set of national records as Kenya? Maybe there is an East European nation whose female records were all or mostly set in the communist era.

Even the Kenyan 400m record has to be considered suspicious, with the holder - Samson Kitur - dying of a heart attack at just age 33. The only non-sprinting records that weren't set at the height of the EPO era are Rudisha's 800m and Kipchoge's Marathon times.

Now it appears there is a long tradition of doping even in the 400m in Kenya, not sure we can be doubt free over Rudisha (never mind Korir).

Good job by ADAK nabbing the doper before going out to compete internationally. IAAF are obviously very pleased (jumping for joy) with Kenya's progress in anti doping in kenya. Kenya the second strongest athletics nation, still stands tall. Amen.

Coevett wrote:

The Soviet Union supported Ethiopia in the Cold War (at least from 1979) and Yifter the Shifter goes to Moscow in 80 and wins double Gold. Nothing to see here.

Also seems a coincidence that Kenya began its domination of the medal tables at almost at the very same time communism was collapsing and the Berlin Wall came down.

Are you saying Italian coaches and managers that moved operations to East Africa solely for profit are really Communists?

Amazing how a guy rumoured to be born in 1937 could develop such a devastating sprint, later in life, while his hairline was receding, against Finns who we know we're blood doping (and maybe using steriods). Just magic. ?

Coevett wrote:

Now it appears there is a long tradition of doping even in the 400m in Kenya, not sure we can be doubt free over Rudisha (never mind Korir).

Trains in the USA

100 and 200 wrote:

said88 wrote:

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Kenyan 200m NR (20.14) also is slightly better than the Samoan NR (22.43) (and also better than the German NR - including GDR athletes).

The Kenyan set that 200 record in Clermont (always bizarre fast one-off times) with a +1.9 wind. The German set their record of 20.20 with a +0.7 wind, so it's actually a better record even though that time is not even in the top 10 for European NRs.

Also, Reus ran a German NR of 10.01 in the 100. The NR for Kenya is 10.14...at altitude! They are far worse sprinters.

The point was that Kenyans are TERRIBLE (like Samoa...) in sprints. I just completely destroyed this with some facts. In the 200m and the 400m they have great NRs (400m is better than the European Record!). The Kenyan 100m NR is not in same class, but still very respectable. How many meetings are there in Kenya to run some great sprint times? How many tracks do they have? Do they have some good sprint coaches? In Germany in many years the 100m national title went in something like 10.50. In many years 10.25 was around the years fastest time. And they have good coaches. They have many opportunities for sprinting. Many fast tracks. And so on. Are Kenyans better (naturally) in sprinting? I don't know. And I don't think there can be a clear answer to this question. But one thing is clear: Kenyans are not that bad in sprinting as some people here want to illustrate.

Olympic Gold in the (long) Relay (1972). Many sub 45 athletes (more than Germany including GDR). Very good 200m NR.

For sure Kenya is famous for their distance runners and not for their sprinters. But they also are not that bad as some want to put it.

When I posted recently a pattern of distribution among top 1500m times for Kenyan runners that appeared very different to other countries (as many sub 3:36 runners as 3:36-3:42 runners), several people claimed that the reason was because so many of Kenya's meets are held at altitude.

But shouldn't that work in favour of the sprints and produce some faster times?

At the Kenyan trials for this week's African Championships, two of the three 100m semi-finals were won in 10.7. The slowest qualifier for the final ran 10.98 in his semi and finished last in the final in 11.02. And I believe these trials took place at altitude. Dafne Schippers, the fastest European woman, would probably be able to qualify for the final of the 100m at the MEN's Kenyan trials. There are probably at least three Jamaican women who would get into the top 10 Kenyan MEN's rankings.

Yes.