If Kenya gets banned...who are your Gold medal tips for Tokyo?

Well you're a complete idiot if you think Wightman or Fillip is more likely to win gold than Jakob.

I'm a big fan of Wightman but he's almost 24 and its a bit daft to say that he'll likely be running faster than Jakob in two years time after we just witnessed what Jakob do a couple of weeks ago. I'd say they're about at a similar level right now and Jakob is still only 17 and Tokyo is 26 months away.

That's not to say Wightman wont be in the mix if Kenya did get banned, or even if the times continue to decline and top names continue to get busted. I think he's got a great chance of a medal in Tokyo even if Kenya are there.

He's the sort of person who could step up his game, train 120% harder and run two seconds quicker if he felt he sniffed gold down the line (i.e. if the dopers were banned).

You don't seem to understand the concept that Tokyo is over two years away. You also don't seem to understand that Langford is only 20 and in less than a year he's come 4th in the WC and 2nd in the Commonwealths and that he should have medalled in London and in the Commonwealths should have beaten the Kenyan a lot of people are saying is the best in the world and the new Rudisha.

However, I'd be more than happy to see Bosse win, who will be 28 in Tokyo. But has he even been seen in public since he got beaten up by anti-white racist thugs after the WC last year?

All my picks are very realistic. TBH I wasn't really thinking about the color of skin or even nationality. It's you guys who are obsessed with race, you dirty doping apologist anti-white racist pondlife. None of you would slander me to my face anyway. Everytime I go for my morning run I get 135lb hobby joggers like you losing the content of their bowels when I pass them.

Pierre Ambroise Bosse was not beaten up by "anti-white" racist thugs. It looks like you have not been following the story but it was a relatively big news in France.

He was indeed seriously beat up, but by a "true blue" native frenchman and amateur rugby player.

And you know what ? Bosse has been indicted two month ago in relation to this ( which means that Police has enough proof against him, it happened on a parking so there might be video evidence or witnesses) and due to stand trial ! Why ? Because he is the one who instigated violence.

Bosse allegedly attacked first (while being under influence of alcohol) , unfortunately, he attacked a rugby player who was probably much bigger than him and who beat the crap out of him (look at the photo. He might not be the angel you think he is.

Coevett wrote:

He's the sort of person who could step up his game, train 120% harder and run two seconds quicker if he felt he sniffed gold down the line (i.e. if the dopers were banned).

In other words, he's not training his hardest. A real winner.

vivalarepublica wrote:

It's also laughable to think that systematic doping is being organzied in Kenya. The ahtletics governing bodies there have shown themselves to be corrupt, incompetent, and disorganized. If anything, it's a situation like in the USA, where doping is group-specific and de-centralized, rather than a grand scheme of a national organization. That type of scheme is less likely to result in a nation ban, but dealt with case-by-case.

i think its a combo

this is how i think it goes. the governing body in kenya athletics, pays rosa and canova and helps the protection. why? duh winning lots of medals and crushing everyone makes you look good on the world stage. with this comes the corruption. they want their cut im sure from apperance fees, nike sponsorships etc. they know they are too incompetent to do the coaching or agent dealings etc. but they do know corruption. i bet is pay to play.

problem though is the lower guys who have to go door to door only get paid a little and not the big chunks like the high up officials. well they want some of the pie too. so they bribe the runners. they know whats going on, and they get paid sh*t to keep their mouths shut and make sure no positives happen cause its bad for the national image. well they want a nice house/car like say kiprop, and they know he has money, so they make him pay them as well.

notice how the charges against rosa were dropped? cause that came from high up. they want him to keep churning out dope runners...you dont arrest the goose that lays the golden eggs.

how much to you think the high ups in kenya athletics make from the runners of kenya? how much prestige they have now in europe at big meets, world champs and olympics? they now get the penthouse suites, the VIP booths, the perks...all cause the myth that kenyans are SUPERIOR by heads and shoulders of everyone else.

Coevett wrote:

All my picks are very realistic. TBH I wasn't really thinking about the color of skin or even nationality. It's you guys who are obsessed with race, you dirty doping apologist anti-white racist pondlife. None of you would slander me to my face anyway. Everytime I go for my morning run I get 135lb hobby joggers like you losing the content of their bowels when I pass them.

There's nothing realistic about thinking Yee will be the 10000m gold medal favorite going into Tokyo, even if Kenya is banned. You are just trying to get a rise out of people because you've nothing better to do.

Of course Wightman is better than Jaokb over 1500m. He's won a diamond league or two. And last time I checked 26 is a peak age for 1500m Olympic champs, and 19 is not.

Fillip has won medals on the world stage and has been the best European for a couple years. He's better than Jakob.

You don't know what you are talking about and it's embarrassing. Anyway there will be an African faster than all of them.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

sky wrote:

Are the 1500m and 5000m Olympic heats and finals scheduled far enough apart in the Olympics for it to be feasible for a double winner?

Blood doped Finns may start winning again.

Lasse is going to come out of retirement and kick everyone's arse again.

btw, he didn't blood dope.

You should've let him continue making a fool of himself with this. I was tempted to set him straight myself but decided against it. Not one of LetsRun's brightest.

That's a reasonable scenario. Pegging it on the agents, managers and lower level underlings is a good way to go. Shall we call it the Rick Pitino Strategy?

I disagree with your last point. Kenyans are superior, due to altitude, genetics, attitude, motivation, and culture.

i never said they werent....i just dont think they are SUPER HUMAN superior

if you look at other sports where there is a good variety of cultures you can see similar trends, but not SUPER HUMAN superior like the kenyans have been showing since rosa came to kenya 1990

there are and have been great american, japanese, korean, russian, frech, english mountaineers

the sherpas though have MORE depth......but they are not SUPER HUMAN superior to all other races and cultures.

same with rock climbing. in the 80-s to mid 90s it was the french that had the DEPTH, then it was spain, and next it appears it will be the japanese. at this time other countries had at least 1 guy at the top, france just had a lot in the top. now its the spanish, but spain doesnt have the best climber, nope its a guy from the czech.

baseball.....all the countries that do this sport have great players, but its been known for a long time that dominican republic has insane depth, but they arent HEADS AND SHOULDERS SUPER HUMAN superior to all others playing the sport.

lets take soccer. this sport is played by everyone pretty much around the world.

brazil is said to have the most depth, but the top best players in the world....

1-argentina

2-portugal

3-uruguay

4-finally brazil

can you see the reality? some countries are more apt to a certain physical activity, but other countries can still have better athletes. but somehow in track and field starting in the 90s, one country went from having more depth to having 100s of athletes better than EVERY OTHER HUMAN THAT HAS EVER EXISTED. same thing with Jamaica sprinting in the mid 2000's. they were a small country with great depth, then booooom they were unstoppable. dont be naive. if we are so f*cking closely related and genetically identical how in the hell should ONE group of people be sooooooo much better than everyone else?

or intelligence.....

asians have insane DEPTH of smart math/physics etc, but they are not HEADS AND SHOULDERS SUPER HUMAN better than everyone else, they just have more DEPTH

m!ndweak wrote:

can you see the reality? some countries are more apt to a certain physical activity, but other countries can still have better athletes. but somehow in track and field starting in the 90s, one country went from having more depth to having 100s of athletes better than EVERY OTHER HUMAN THAT HAS EVER EXISTED. same thing with Jamaica sprinting in the mid 2000's. they were a small country with great depth, then booooom they were unstoppable. dont be naive. if we are so f*cking closely related and genetically identical how in the hell should ONE group of people be sooooooo much better than everyone else?

+1

fact czech wrote:

Coevett wrote:

All my picks are very realistic. TBH I wasn't really thinking about the color of skin or even nationality. It's you guys who are obsessed with race, you dirty doping apologist anti-white racist pondlife. None of you would slander me to my face anyway. Everytime I go for my morning run I get 135lb hobby joggers like you losing the content of their bowels when I pass them.

There's nothing realistic about thinking Yee will be the 10000m gold medal favorite going into Tokyo, even if Kenya is banned. You are just trying to get a rise out of people because you've nothing better to do.

Haha this guy. Wasn't even thinking about colour, except all his picks were white, half were British and he totally disregarded athletes who represent non-African countries let alone all the other African nations which aren't Kenya.

Let's go one step further and ban all of Africa, which you'd love to see. These are the names that will be contesting your picks:

Brazier, 1:43 NCAA champ

Farah beaten Rupp in every race ever, just ran an unbelievable marathon

Chelimo tactical 13:03 to finish second behind Farah In Rio

Yemaneberhan Crippa who is 21 and runs for Italy and beat Yee in his 10k 27:44

Mo Ahmed of Canada, 13:01 recent double silver in the Gold Coast

Justyn Knight, 21y and ran 13:17 last year, 9th at World's.

Sadiq Mikou of Bahrain, 3:31 last year and improving, 6th at World's

Adel Mechaal, appears to be looking to move up to 5000m full time

There are more but I'm bored. Just for your information the nationalities that won the mens 800-marathon events at the World champs last year were as follows:

800 - France then Poland

1500- Kenya followed by Norway (Fillip)

3000sc - Kenya followed by Morocco

5000 - Ethiopia followed by GBR then USA

10,000- GBR then Uganda

Marathon - Kenya then Ethiopia then Tanzania

So I'm not seeing a Kenya clean sweep and I'm also not seeing how the removal of Kenya will pass the medals down to nations that finished 4th+ in the respective events.

Except the 1500m, where I'd put money on Fillip to kick his way to a medal again, over Jakob.

I just counted 16 different non-Kenyan athletes in the 2010s alone who have run sub 27 in the 10k.

Why Yee at 27:51? Why not, say, Sean Quigley, who ran that in 2013? Or Ryan Vail? Or any number of Japanese athletes who have run faster? Or any number of Americans who have run significantly faster? Or Ethiopians?

There is an easy answer for this DEPTH you speak of. It's culture and motivation. You can go to the Rift Valley and witness dozens, if not hundreds, of aspiring subsistence farmers and herders on a training run to make a lifetime's worth of winnings on the running circuit. Other countries don't have this culture and the payoff for running is not that big.

sky wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Blood doped Finns may start winning again.

Lasse is going to come out of retirement and kick everyone's arse again.

btw, he didn't blood dope.

Great satire⤴

Coevett wrote:

However, I'd be more than happy to see Bosse win, who will be 28 in Tokyo. But has he even been seen in public since he got beaten up by anti-white racist thugs after the WC last year?

TBH I wasn't really thinking about the color of skin or even nationality. It's you guys who are obsessed with race, you dirty doping apologist anti-white racist pondlife.

Great satire, thank you!

Not quite the story wrote:

Bosse allegedly attacked first (while being under influence of alcohol) , unfortunately, he attacked a rugby player who was probably much bigger than him and who beat the crap out of him (look at the photo. He might not be the angel you think he is.

Sounds like roid rage to me. Rugby player was probably taking more roids though.

m!ndweak wrote:

lets take soccer. this sport is played by everyone pretty much around the world.

brazil is said to have the most depth, but the top best players in the world....

1-argentina

2-portugal

3-uruguay

4-finally brazil

You cannot compare soccer with running because winning a soccer match at the top level has very little to do with performance. It has more to do with referee bribing and fixing. Interestingly, the countries you listed a bineg good at soccer are all much more corrupt than a civilized country such as the USA.

Coevett wrote:

It's looking inevitable that Kenya will be banned by the time Tokyo comes around. Assuming this happens, who are your picks for gold medals at this point?

It's still two years away, but my favourites for Gold in the men's middle and long would be :

800m : Kyle Langford

1500m : Jakob Ingebrigsten

5000m : Jakob Ingebrigsten

10000 : Alex Yee

Marathon : Galen Rupp

3000m Steeple : Evan Jager

Also, there's a good chance Kenyan times will continue to drop dramatically over the next two years with increased testing and the threat of a federation suspension, so these could be favourites for gold even if Kenya is given another chance.

The powers behind letting certain third world countries get away with cheating won't just let things move toward fairness and real testing. Sure, these rats don't have complete control but for now they have enough to keep things as crooked as ever. They may even increase the outlay of cash in order to allow the Kenyans, Ethiopians, and others to cheat even more, and we'll see the return of gangs of sub 13 runners, guys breaking 12:50, guys finishing 10k races with the last 5k under 13 minutes, runners who could never run under 1:46 in the 800 clocking sub 3:48 in the mile and all sorts of other ridiculous things that the truly idiotic and fully brainwashed weak Westerners believed were real for years.

We'll know things are cleaned up when there's year round testing in E. Africa and elsewhere, and the times start 'rising', not dropping.