I didn't notice that. I guess that is witty. You must be trying to be like me. What does the last part of your post mean? The word literally is thrown in randomly.
I didn't notice that. I guess that is witty. You must be trying to be like me. What does the last part of your post mean? The word literally is thrown in randomly.
Banana Bread wrote:
I didn't notice that. I guess that is witty. You must be trying to be like me. What does the last part of your post mean? The word literally is thrown in randomly.
Not randomly. The post was aimed at you, because you literally use the word often. (Note that I didn’t say, “you literally use the word all the time,” because that wouldn’t quite be true.) So, while not trying to be like you, I WAS literally trying to frame my response in language you’d understand.
;-)
It was a long time ago but I played high school football in an area of Ohio where the sport is a religion, on a good team and no one benched 315 max at the time. That max lift would also have been rare on the rugby squad of a Big Ten university where I played after high school.
I later exceeded that number in adult hood but then again I was never a whippet thin, top level runner, even at the local level.
I would be very impressed indeed by a sub 5 minute miler on my daughters' high school track squad who can also bench 225 and their program is one of the best in a large state.
Depends on the person's weight.
I would say 225 equals about 6:00. I know about as many dudes who can press 225 as can run 6:00 mile. Granted this is from a military population.
Here are some random standards:
http://lonkilgore.com/freebies/bench_standards_pounds_small.pdf
Alan
I ran a 2:31 marathon and could bench 225lbs. Actually my max bench was 305lbs at the time.
I'm trying to find photos now, but if you look for pictures of from the 2006 Chicago Marathon, my name is Chris Smith and I flexed for every camera I could find on the course.
That being said I'm definitely not the norm at the gym. Running 10miles at 10mph is what I consider an easy run on the treadmill. Just yesterday I did 12 x 400m with 90sec rest at 12.6mph. You want to see everyone stare at you, do that when you weigh 195lbs at 5'11".
BWAHHAHHA 99% of these posters are trolling or very dumb. 7:00 mile equal to 225? Neega what are you smoking. I'll admit I don't know sheet but in my eyes 225 is as impressive as breaking 5
Runningart2004 wrote:
Depends on the person's weight.
I would say 225 equals about 6:00. I know about as many dudes who can press 225 as can run 6:00 mile. Granted this is from a military population.
Here are some random standards:
http://lonkilgore.com/freebies/bench_standards_pounds_small.pdfAlan
What I don't understand is this "weight" thing. If someone is 6'1 165 and squats 230 and another is 5'7 160 and squats 250 who is more impressive??? I mean the 160 guy weighs less but his height allows him to do so. Idk it just seems flawed to me as some people also have heavier bones than others. Imo weight should only be compared with people who are of similar height.
I don't think you can go by high school standards on this one. Football is way more popular than distance running, of course you're going to get more guys benching 225 than breaking a 5 minute mile. PS, if a girl is asking me how in shape I am, I'm definitely telling her my bench before my mile time, so there is that aspect as well re: the gym/general population.
RejectRunner wrote:
BWAHHAHHA 99% of these posters are trolling or very dumb. 7:00 mile equal to 225? Neega what are you smoking. I'll admit I don't know sheet but in my eyes 225 is as impressive as breaking 5
#srw
This has to be bait
I benched 230 and ran a 4:22 mile (at altitude) in college.
So 4:22
puny runner wrote:
I benched 230 and ran a 4:22 mile (at altitude) in college.
So 4:22
My guess is 5'7 1/2" (135 to 140) lbs.
Funny you should ask. My max bench is 225.
My best mile is 4:43. So there's your answer (if your population sample is 1).
225 bench is probably worth about 530-45 mile.
both marks are a challenge huge for the skinny and the fat.
both marks, you can say you're fit.
back in the day 5 minute miles were bread and butter.
now, as time allows, the project is to do sets of 2 plates - or at least one big and one small.
which is 4 x 45 lbs plus 45 pound bar, = 225 or 2 x 45 plus 2 x 35 = 205
after doing 12 weeks of a dorian yates routine - which is go to failure once a week on each muscle group - plus 3 easy aerobic workouts, the weight went from 5/11 150 lbs to 165 lbs (3000 cal/day, 40% protein per day), bench went from sets reps 4-8 of 135 - went up to 165 lbs or maybe 170, then had to move onto a project. some of the other gains were more impressive @ + 40%, such as the incline press which went up from 225 to 315 lbs 3-4 reps.
this is without specialization, and only one chest workout per week, but if you study yates method and understand it, you don't want to do that much more, and in fact, do a bit less, that is for power lifting.
also, i had to quit fast metabolism things, and limit aerobic work, not walk everywhere,
if you add on moderate testosterone the gains would 20% more easy, but i'm more interested in what nature can do at this time.
the failure with runners is that they think you do more to get better results.
no.
you do quality, and you wait to recover.
you don't go running around wasting energy.
RejectRunner wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Depends on the person's weight.
I would say 225 equals about 6:00. I know about as many dudes who can press 225 as can run 6:00 mile. Granted this is from a military population.
Here are some random standards:
http://lonkilgore.com/freebies/bench_standards_pounds_small.pdfAlan
What I don't understand is this "weight" thing. If someone is 6'1 165 and squats 230 and another is 5'7 160 and squats 250 who is more impressive??? I mean the 160 guy weighs less but his height allows him to do so. Idk it just seems flawed to me as some people also have heavier bones than others. Imo weight should only be compared with people who are of similar height.
Look up the Wilks Coeficent
Alan
NBA draft combine uses 185 as their benchmark test at the combine. Kevin Durant could do 0 reps. 225 is a serious about of weight to press for a normal person. I'd say 4:30 mile is good equivalent. I think you're making a big mistake saying "General athletic population" - General means"affecting or concerning all or most people, places, or things; widespread." So you're wrong about 225 and 6min mile.
theJeff wrote:
Most of your general athletic population can do 6min/225lbs. It takes some real talent and training to do 5min/315lbs. Only elites with years of training can do 4min/405lbs.
Experiental wrote:
It was a long time ago but I played high school football in an area of Ohio where the sport is a religion, on a good team and no one benched 315 max at the time. That max lift would also have been rare on the rugby squad of a Big Ten university where I played after high school.
I later exceeded that number in adult hood but then again I was never a whippet thin, top level runner, even at the local level.
I would be very impressed indeed by a sub 5 minute miler on my daughters' high school track squad who can also bench 225 and their program is one of the best in a large state.
Also a long time ago but I wrestled as well as running track and XC in high school. I was a better wrestler than runner so I wrestled D1 in college. At a bodyweight of around 145 pounds I could bench 225 and run a sub 5:00 minute mile. In the off season I would gain 10 or 15 pounds and would see my bench go up to the 250-260 range but my running slowed way down.
As a quarter-miler for many years I think I can speak to this, as the event carries both heavy aerobic and anaerobic requirements.
At my absolute peak physical condition - at roughly 180 lbs - my max bench was 295, and best mile (though I obviously never trained for it) was ~4:32.
That said, the fitter Crossfit guys might be able to make a 5 minute mile, and could surely rep out 225. It really depends on training specificity... begrudgingly, I might add, Crossfitters might be expected to have the best bench/mile combo.
So you would acknowledge the data is a bit skewed...
Think about the % of men in the gym that can bench 225 vs. the number that could make a 6 min mile... I would argue the latter represents a far greater proportion in the population. You can have all the heart/balls in the world, but bench press is brute strength.
Let's put it this way: If you put a gun to the head of your average fit dude whose max bench is 205, with a mile PR of 6:10, my bet is he makes the mile. Running is more of a mental game.
This might be neither here nor there, but I think its pertinent nevertheless.
theJeff wrote:
Before I clicked, I thought to myself: 5 minutes.
The more I think about it, it should be slower. If we are equating adding a plate with adding a minute as a benchmark (pun intended), 225 = 6min mile, 315 = 5min mile, and 405 = 4min mile.
Most of your general athletic population can do 6min/225lbs. It takes some real talent and training to do 5min/315lbs. Only elites with years of training can do 4min/405lbs.
Saying that 225 = 5min mile indicates that you have only ever been around puny runners your whole life (or, your hs football team was awful).
Reading this makes me feel better about my limited running talent, and worse about my limited innate strength.
MILE
I don't think much of a 5:00 among the jogging population. I never ran track in HS, never did a single running "workout" or even knew what that would mean, but off of fitness and running in other sports I was able to do an 800 in 2:10 on our school track day. I am running faster now in my 40s, and really can't imagine running slower than 6:00 for a time-trial mile under any circumstance. I would say that keeping under 5:00 fitness is not a total given for me if I took a season off or something but pretty assured if I am running at all regularly.
BENCH
Most years of my adult life I have been in the gym a few days a week, sometimes trying to bench "heavy" 2-3 times per week for large portions of the year. I have read up enough to know that I've never done everything I could, but also that my programs have not been totally idiotic. (Usually followed Stronglifts or similar.) I don't think I could EVER bench 225. Getting to my weight of 160 (at 6'2") took a lot of work, and getting to 180 took much more, to the point that returns diminished and a goal of 200 seemed ridiculous.
MY TAKE
5:00 doesn't seem much to runners, even people who came late to the sport like me. BUT IT IS FAST IN THE REAL WORLD. You can go sit by a track all day, watch hundreds of runners come and go, and you probably won't see ANYONE who can do a sub-5:00 mile. Hell, you probably won't even see a 75-second lap unless a track team shows up.
225 seems like a lot to runners, BUT IT IS NOT SO MUCH IN THE REAL WORLD. If you hang out in a busy weight room you'll probably see someone put up 225+ before 9am.