Official Gwen Jorgensen Prediction / USATF Half Marathon Champs in Pittsburgh Thread

That's the point and that's her plan. You don't just wake up one morning and run100mpw. It's a process. Not.making excuses, just stating facts about where she is vs. where she's planning to go, and how that might not make the 5k vs. half comparison so cut and dry.

i own cats wrote:

champs should have separate start wrote:

Yeah, all the men in the way. Then a group pulling her along in the early stages. It definitely changed the dynamics of the race.

I dont think that makes a difference really. The elite half racers had their own start 10 minutes before everyone else (including the rest of.the half marathon field and the entire full marathon field), and there was only 75 total men and women for their start. So its not like you had a lot of men in the way to deal with.

Go watch the video and get back to me. There were plenty of "elite" men in the way.

obviously a bad result wrote:

GWEN really disappointed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jragXAUKFA

I'm not sure her big plan of "working hard, doing hard work" is brilliant.

Gwen complained about how beat up her legs were. At 0:47 it is apparent that she is classically overstriding and heel-striking, much of which is encouraged by the 4%. She needs to train more in spikes/barefoot/minimalist to reign in her stride and develop better efficiency. Smarter not harder Gwen!

wejo wrote:

Rochelle Kanuho with a nice PB on a not easy course to finish ahead of Gwen. Aliphine Tuliamuk got things back on the right foot with the win and Sara Hall was close. Update: Originally I said Aliphine and Rochelle were HOKA teammates but Rochelle got dropped by HOKA this year. Anyone know who she is running for?

Gwen beat Carrie Dimoff again.

Not sure what to make of this. Gwen's not a natural at longer distances for sure, but in her approach to this whole thing and talking to her husband this week, they realize this and know it's going to take a lot of work and miles to make the US team. They want to craft her into a marathoner with a ton of work.

Roch is currently in sponsored, uncoached, solo training in Flagstaff, Arizona.

Bio Mechanics wrote:

obviously a bad result wrote:

GWEN really disappointed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jragXAUKFA

I'm not sure her big plan of "working hard, doing hard work" is brilliant.

Gwen complained about how beat up her legs were. At 0:47 it is apparent that she is classically overstriding and heel-striking, much of which is encouraged by the 4%. She needs to train more in spikes/barefoot/minimalist to reign in her stride and develop better efficiency. Smarter not harder Gwen!

New drinking game: watch the video, and you must take a shot everytime Gwen says: "...Uh..."

See how long you're standing.

question?? wrote:

Would it be a good idea for GWEN to just do the pacer for JORDAN HASAY in some fast marathon? Or is she too slow?

lol

10/10

She still runs as a triathlete form wise. Kinda looks like she just came off the bike. Shoulders way too high and tense, and turn up the cadence a little. Sara runs way more efficiently and Gwen seems to try and use her long legs as an advantage maybe a little too much.

And why did she and Galen Rupp wear the same split shorts today???

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Go get your wetsuit, Gwen!

Real female road runners will eat you alive. Get out while you still have a chance.

I don't understand the glee some posters feel when an athlete comes up short. Here's a high profile gold medal winner who dominated her sport. Her very presence gives any race she enters a much higher interest level. Yet, you are over the moon with joy with her failure today. Sad.

bladerunner wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Go get your wetsuit, Gwen!

Real female road runners will eat you alive. Get out while you still have a chance.

I don't understand the glee some posters feel when an athlete comes up short. Here's a high profile gold medal winner who dominated her sport. Her very presence gives any race she enters a much higher interest level. Yet, you are over the moon with joy with her failure today. Sad.

Interest level my arse. This sport does not need her, nor did it start or will stop with her. She came in here

declaring that she was going to win gold. This is not the Tri, and if you put up the talk, you have to walk the walk.

She is seeing how hard it really is, and is proof that I don't think she really thought this through. While she is trying to

cram 8 years of true marathon training into 2 years, true runners are also training and getting faster and faster. When she

made that declaration she basically put a target on her back, the elite women are going to eat her alive with no let up.

She put that bold statement out there, and if she fails then she is going to have to deal with the jeers and the criticism.

That is how sports go, which is why it pays to be logical and have patience.

Yup, the truth hurts.

Why should Gwen be getting more attention than the runners who finished ahead of her? Only because she is the self-proclaimed 2020 Oly Gold Medalist!

YouTube Queen = Gwen wrote:

Why should Gwen be getting more attention than the runners who finished ahead of her? Only because she is the self-proclaimed 2020 Oly Gold Medalist!

She is an actual 2016 gold medalist.

Were any of the others even in Rio?

I do think she underestimated how good her competition would be. Based on her youtube video, it seems clear to me that she truly was expecting to win, and maybe win easily- she seems shocked that she didn't make the podium. Definitely a reality check for her.

Maths is hard wrote:

That's the point and that's her plan. You don't just wake up one morning and run100mpw. It's a process.

It was mentioned in an interview some weeks ago that because of the achilles problems she has been able to run only 80 mpw whereas her goal is to increase the volume up to 120 mpw. She doesn't have the needed endurance yet.

Gwen does have a lot to learn, but duh. First long race, OF COURSE there's going to be a learning curve and improvement along the way.

P.S. Scorpion_runner, you remain an idiot extraordinaire with an embarrassing and irrational jealousy of Gwen, obviously based in your insecurities. Cheer yourself up today, find another shoe retailer you can scam with returns until they realize mark you as the loser you are.

Baltsu wrote:

Maths is hard wrote:

That's the point and that's her plan. You don't just wake up one morning and run100mpw. It's a process.

It was mentioned in an interview some weeks ago that because of the achilles problems she has been able to run only 80 mpw whereas her goal is to increase the volume up to 120 mpw. She doesn't have the needed endurance yet.

You can run a great half marathon just out of 10k training, so I don't think it's just a matter of endurance, definitely not marathon endurance.

Maybe she could have run this half out of her triathlon training, with much less but possibly faster or more consistent running.

I think she is over doing it, maybe not overtraining (yet) but trying to rush things. Physiological adaptatations take time. Her body is not reacting as expected to the strees she is putting it into.

bladerunner wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Go get your wetsuit, Gwen!

Real female road runners will eat you alive. Get out while you still have a chance.

I don't understand the glee some posters feel when an athlete comes up short. Here's a high profile gold medal winner who dominated her sport. Her very presence gives any race she enters a much higher interest level. Yet, you are over the moon with joy with her failure today. Sad.

LRC is like a bad movie that I somehow want to watch over and over again. Every so often, a thread is posted by genuine athletes or coaches, maybe tossing questions out there, hoping to gauge an efficient response and feedback from the running community.. unfortunately it's usually littered with insecure dorks who feel better to trash athletes that have more talent and output on their worst day than these trolls will ever be able to comprehend

Are some of you really framing this sub-71 minute half marathon as some sort of massive failure?

We're 21 months from the trials.

She's 7-8 months post child berth.

She's been training for the marathon for seven months.

She's only up to 80 mpw due to Achilles issues.

Why are some of you so pissed off that she set a high goal for herself? You're speaking as if she said she was going to moonwalk to an easy gold medal in Tokyo. She never said that. She said her goal was to win in Tokyo. Why does it piss you off that she's working towards a lofty goal? No duh she isn't a favorite to medal in Tokyo. No duh she probably isn't even 50-50 to make it to Tokyo at all. You don't think she knows that either? You don't think she knows that she's an underdog against at minimum Flanigan, Hasay, Huddle, Linden, and Craig? Why are you so offended by her merely attempting to do something big?

ZidaneValor wrote:

Are some of you really framing this sub-71 minute half marathon as some sort of massive failure?

Err... what? She is framing it as a failure. Watch her blog video.

Tangentially, I do appreciate her transparency. I wish we had more elite runners with web/YouTube presences. It's cool to peek behind the curtain.