Peter Elliot the last non-African male to attempt to break a mid/long distance record (1990)?

Well, I should really learn to ignore the racist trolls here. Instead, a thread like this paying homage to one of the most underated athletes of the modern era gets disfigured by their hatred.

Here is a quite recent interview with Peter Elliott. Still a very humble man. Not only did he have to battle injury in Seoul, but the hate mail and even death threats he recieved after being selected over Coe.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/the-peter-elliott-interview-how-silver-still-bothers-an-olympic-man-of-steel-1-8985416

As far as his natural talent is concerned, it's easy to forget that he was the same age as Cruz (20) when he bravely took it to him in the World Championships in Helsinki. The difference was that Elliott was already working full time in a steel mill in Sheffield while Cruz was basically a full time athlete enjoying a scholarship in the sun at the University of Oregon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q19UyW8rKGE

You brought the hate upon yourself.

Coevett wrote:

Actually, I'm the least racist person on this board as I, more than any one else here, combat the deeply racist and offensive idea that East Africans are inherently superior to the rest of the world.

Do you think sprinters of similar elite talent can be found in Taiwan just as much as in Jamaica?

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Actually, I'm the least racist person on this board as I, more than any one else here, combat the deeply racist and offensive idea that East Africans are inherently superior to the rest of the world.

Do you think sprinters of similar elite talent can be found in Taiwan just as much as in Jamaica?

No, people of West African descent are clearly better suited for sprinting. It's not racist to say that. Racism is the prejudiced belief that one race is superior to another. It's mindless racist prejudice to blindly believe, no matter what alternative explanations are given, that East Africans are so superior to other races as to explain their current domination.

whambulance wrote:

You brought the hate upon yourself.

I think you misunderstand me you moron. I couldn't give a **** whether you hate me or not, it's the fact that you display hate and contempt for great European runners like Peter Elliot that is disgusting.

You're a just a piece of nothingness who is so inconsequential and cowardly not even to have a regular posting name.

Deanouk wrote:

The thing about Elliott was that he aimed to peak in the Jan/Feb 1990 for the Commonwealth Games, and then managed to maintain that form as far as May and that 1:42.97 800m. I think I'm right in saying that he ran a world indoor record (3:34.20 for 1500m) in between. That was a mistake, as he then ran out of steam and became susceptible to injury by trying to keep his peak going throughout the European summer too.

interestingly he ran 3.33.39 to win Commonwealth Games on 3 February and 3.32.69 when winning the McVities Invite in Sheffield on 16 September

Coevett wrote:

whambulance wrote:

You brought the hate upon yourself.

I think you misunderstand me you moron. I couldn't give a **** whether you hate me or not, it's the fact that you display hate and contempt for great European runners like Peter Elliot that is disgusting.

You're a just a piece of nothingness who is so inconsequential and cowardly not even to have a regular posting name.

I don’t hate Peter Elliott.

I always thought that Steve Crabb got the third spot in GB's 1500m trio in 1988.

Yes of course, you're correct re the 90's. My mistake. I did know that the first test wasn't available until Sydney 2000, but just got carried away with the point I was trying to make. However the African nations weren't tested randomly by their own federations from 2000 for EPO, or before for steroids, and other peds.

spade detector wrote:

Thinking that any black runner that has ever held a record was cheating is racist by the very definition of the word. It’s not an SJW distortion.

That is quite an ambiguous statement. It depends on your meaning of the use of the word "any".

If someone thinks or claims that 'ALL black athletes that have broken a WR are drug cheats', then yes, I agree that would be racist.

Thinking that certain black athletes or 'any' specific black athletes cheated is NOT racist.

There are many white athletes who I think probably cheated during their career, but that doesn't make me racist towards white people!

You should also make the distinction between black athletes and those from certain African nations, which I believe is what Coevett is trying to do. Stating the fact that some African nations don't test or haven't tested to the same degree as most other nations does not in itself make you a racist. In the same way, it is a fact that Russia was caught carrying out a state sponsored doping programme. My stating of this doesn't make me anti Russian.

That's not quite my hypothesis, but why would you say that? Did Roncero dope? When I took a closer look at the best marathon times, Roncero's best time was too slow.

Flying Spaniards of the 90s wrote:

Not sure if the marathon counts in your range of records but Fabian Roncero came close to Dinsamo's marathon world record in 1998 with a pretty much solo effort for 17/18km:

He was having to stop to stretch for cramps a few times over the last mile or two which probably cost him the record and thereby confirming Rekrunner's hypothesis that EPO does not work ...

You are correct that I should have used "all" instead of "any".

You are incorrect that Coevett is isolating it to African nations that do little testing. Check out the "Last clean WR holders" thread, or whatever it is called.

Sir Bastion Newbold wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

The thing about Elliott was that he aimed to peak in the Jan/Feb 1990 for the Commonwealth Games, and then managed to maintain that form as far as May and that 1:42.97 800m. I think I'm right in saying that he ran a world indoor record (3:34.20 for 1500m) in between. That was a mistake, as he then ran out of steam and became susceptible to injury by trying to keep his peak going throughout the European summer too.

interestingly he ran 3.33.39 to win Commonwealth Games on 3 February and 3.32.69 when winning the McVities Invite in Sheffield on 16 September

Yes, but I doubt he was in quite the same shape in September as he had been in the Commonwealth Games. It is impossible for an athlete to maintain their very best peak shape from February, in the Southern Hemisphere, through an indoor season in March, and then throughout a European summer, starting in May and ending in September. The fact he didn't win the Europeans, the most important race of the year, shows this. He would have been better off taking a rest for a month in the spring and then delaying his summer campaign until late June/early July. Trying to maintain such a heavy workload/training regime is going to end in injury.

Samuel DeChamplain wrote:

Coevett wrote:

But the likes of Derierre don't have any problems with El Keniano and his constant blatant racism towards white runners.

Bit creepy really.

Oh, and Elliott was an injury wreck in Seoul and lost to a bum who got lucky on the day. Both him (Rono) and Ereng were probably juiced to the gills which would explain their one off performances.

El Keniano is a very fair man, seen him support Rupp than any of the white supremacy people here including you

And speaking of Rupp was his 3:50 indoors a WR attempt or even sub 3:50? Pretty close either way

Wasn't there a thread about a year ago on here of a top Kenyan from 1988 or 1992 admitting to being on steriods?

Deanouk wrote:

However the African nations weren't tested randomly by their own federations from 2000 for EPO, or before for steroids, and other peds.

Correct, but recall that "our" nations' federations were - understandingly - so biased, often protecting our drug cheats, that the NADOs were invented.

That in turned didn't really help that much either, because it's still Americans testing Americans, Germans Germans, Russians Russians, and so on.

As for the question:

RE: Peter Elliot the last non-African male to attempt to break a mid/long distance record (1990)?

The answer is no, as already pointed out by Derrière on page 1.

Actually the last non-African male (as far as I recall) to break a mid/long distance world record was Mo Farah.

casual obsever wrote:

Actually the last non-African male (as far as I recall) to break a mid/long distance world record was Mo Farah.

I see what you did there.

I never used your "playfully suggested" argument against you. Your comment 1) was pure nonsense, and 2) did not resemble anything I ever argued. East Africans dominated world cross country in the 1980's well before EPO.

Coevett wrote:

LOL, 'the great equalizer' theory. You guys used to vehmenently deny that Africans used EPO in great numbers, but since I playfully suggested that it 'levelled the playing field', first RekRunner and now all the rest of you black supremacists use it as an argument as to why Africans weren't dominant before it. You claim I'm a moron , yet I even gave you the arguments that you use against me, LOL!

Yeah, I'm a racist, and in the very next sentence that you accuse me of that, you clearly demonstrate that you are an anti-white racist.

Well, as far as when the last time whites held a world record, until 1985 - when EPO likely started to become available - white Europeans held every world record from 800 to the Marathon (apart from the steeplechase).

Then what's wrong with this: People of East African descent are clearly better suited for endurance. It's not racist to say that.

Coevett wrote:

No, people of West African descent are clearly better suited for sprinting. It's not racist to say that. Racism is the prejudiced belief that one race is superior to another. It's mindless racist prejudice to blindly believe, no matter what alternative explanations are given, that East Africans are so superior to other races as to explain their current domination.

casual obsever wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

However the African nations weren't tested randomly by their own federations from 2000 for EPO, or before for steroids, and other peds.

Correct, but recall that "our" nations' federations were - understandingly - so biased, often protecting our drug cheats, that the NADOs were invented.

That in turned didn't really help that much either, because it's still Americans testing Americans, Germans Germans, Russians Russians, and so on.

The only national federation caught 'covering up' their own positive tests in the last 25 years as far as I can recall is Russia.

Since the early 90's there have been many cases of US, Russian, European athletes being tested positive. Even loads of Moroccans. Some of these were by their own federations, and some would have been by IAAF testers. However, there were very few Kenyans or Ethiopians that failed tests in this same period, until the last couple of years. Why is that?

Could it be that they were 'tipped off' by corrupt officials when they knew IAAF testers were on their way?

Was it that the testers had too much difficulty finding them as they were training in remote mountain areas?

Could it be that somehow they were protected, even if caught, by a corrupt IAAF, which at the time was run by an (known to be corrupt) east African President?

I don't know!

What is strange is that for a long time there were hardly any east Africans failing drug tests, compared to other nationalities, at a time when they were the dominant force in endurance events. Yet, in the last 3 or 4 years, there have been many (mainly Kenyan) that have tested positive.