Lickety Split NICE VERSION wrote:
Rumor has it, they have recruited some of those 77 that are "American Born".
Right, I didn't filter out the WCAP guys from my list. I'm pretty sure many of those other Americans would be much better off financially by joining the Army and WCAP.
Alan
Literally thousands of soldiers have gained their citizenship through the MAVNI program, and you are worried about the dozen or so in the WCAP? Also speaking a foreign language is not a requirement, but having specialized skills; many recruits are doctors, engineers, etc. who also don't serve in combat roles. How would the ability to run 13:03 for 5k or 27:20 for 10k and win Olympic medals not be considered a specialized skill?
It sounds to me like you are either racists, or have some personal axe to grind. Maybe you weren't fast enough to qualify for WCAP yourself and are bitter about it?
1) The objective of WCAP enlistees is not to go oversees and kill terrorists.
2) Anyone with the standard is welcome to apply. You’re acting like they are being turned away.
I don't understand how you can claim that the WCAP hurts american distance running. The dominance from WCAP will only make others work harder/better.
Lickety Split wrote:
Dan Browne, US Olympian --- sucks?
Dan Browne doesn't suck, but here's a question for you. How many times did Dan qualify for the Olympics and how many times was he in WCAP when he qualified and competed in the Olympics?
Actual veteran wrote:
Literally thousands of soldiers have gained their citizenship through the MAVNI program, and you are worried about the dozen or so in the WCAP? Also speaking a foreign language is not a requirement, but having specialized skills; many recruits are doctors, engineers, etc. who also don't serve in combat roles. How would the ability to run 13:03 for 5k or 27:20 for 10k and win Olympic medals not be considered a specialized skill?
It sounds to me like you are either racists, or have some personal axe to grind. Maybe you weren't fast enough to qualify for WCAP yourself and are bitter about it?
- Yes. I am concerned that OUR Army & the WCAP program are deliberately exploiting both enlistment and immigration loopholes that have hijacked our sport here in the United States.
- You are incorrect. All soldiers must be prepared to serve in combat.
- No. Neither the MAVNI program nor does US immigration see running those times as a skill --- just ask Cheserek wrt the latter. I'm just glad he's begun to pay U.S. taxes after being subsidized since high school by either private donors or Oregon taxpayers ostensibly to return to Kenya with a western education to make a positive difference.
Stornash wrote:
1) The objective of WCAP enlistees is not to go oversees and kill terrorists.
2) Anyone with the standard is welcome to apply. You’re acting like they are being turned away.
Thank you for agreeing with me that the purpose of WCAP is to run track and field versus defend our great nation.
gdeegz wrote:
I don't understand how you can claim that the WCAP hurts american distance running. The dominance from WCAP will only make others work harder/better.
- Tell that to Ben True, Ryan Hill, etc.
SouthBound 35 wrote:
Lickety Split wrote:
Dan Browne, US Olympian --- sucks?
Dan Browne doesn't suck, but here's a question for you. How many times did Dan qualify for the Olympics and how many times was he in WCAP when he qualified and competed in the Olympics?
- LTC Dan "The Scam" Browne spent the majority of his active duty career in the US Army and National Guard either running or coaching the WCAP while simultaneously being paid by Nike.
Lickety Split wrote:
Stornash wrote:
1) The objective of WCAP enlistees is not to go oversees and kill terrorists.
2) Anyone with the standard is welcome to apply. You’re acting like they are being turned away.
Thank you for agreeing with me that the purpose of WCAP is to run track and field versus defend our great nation.
You have problems with reading and comprehension, as demonstrated throughout this thread. I did not say that their purpose was “to run track and field”. Their purpose within our military is recruitment/marketing, not deploying to fight terrorism.
Lickety Split wrote:
SouthBound 35 wrote:
Dan Browne doesn't suck, but here's a question for you. How many times did Dan qualify for the Olympics and how many times was he in WCAP when he qualified and competed in the Olympics?
- LTC Dan "The Scam" Browne spent the majority of his active duty career in the US Army and National Guard either running or coaching the WCAP while simultaneously being paid by Nike.
You didn't answer the question. Was he in WCAP when he qualified for and competed in the Olympics?
Ryan Hill has qualified for 4 US national teams, 3 finals, and has won a medal at the international stage. Ben True has qualified for 4 US national teams, competed for 3, and has won a medal at the international stage. The only member of ADP/WCAP that has surpassed these expectations is Paul Chelimo, and he has been beaten by both of these athletes on separate occasions. True and Hill have done just fine for themselves and are continuing to work hard (Hill finished just behind Kipchichir and Chelimo at USAs, and was pleased with that result.) Can't wait to see how True's HM debut goes.
You don't have any background information on the points you try to make, and you're embarrassing yourself.
Lickety Split wrote:
Stornash wrote:
1) The objective of WCAP enlistees is not to go oversees and kill terrorists.
2) Anyone with the standard is welcome to apply. You’re acting like they are being turned away.
Thank you for agreeing with me that the purpose of WCAP is to run track and field versus defend our great nation.
The WCAP soldiers support the recruiting mission. Without quality civilians volunteering to serve in the Army there would be no combat soldiers defending our great nation.
They serve a very defined purpose.
Keep trolling.
So what’s your solution? There is nothing preventing other talented American runners from joining the Army and WCAP.
So, how about you take your crusade to the NCAA and USATF Championships? Convince those talented athletes to join up.
Instead of complaining.....do something productive.
Alan
Stornash wrote:
Lickety Split wrote:
Thank you for agreeing with me that the purpose of WCAP is to run track and field versus defend our great nation.
You have problems with reading and comprehension, as demonstrated throughout this thread. I did not say that their purpose was “to run track and field”. Their purpose within our military is recruitment/marketing, not deploying to fight terrorism.
- Check your logic ... we actually agree with each other. Finally, a "True Believer" emerges from this thread!
mcvred wrote:
Ryan Hill has qualified for 4 US national teams, 3 finals, and has won a medal at the international stage. Ben True has qualified for 4 US national teams, competed for 3, and has won a medal at the international stage. The only member of ADP/WCAP that has surpassed these expectations is Paul Chelimo, and he has been beaten by both of these athletes on separate occasions. True and Hill have done just fine for themselves and are continuing to work hard (Hill finished just behind Kipchichir and Chelimo at USAs, and was pleased with that result.) Can't wait to see how True's HM debut goes.
You don't have any background information on the points you try to make, and you're embarrassing yourself.
- "Pleased?" ... yeah, another Santa Claus/Easter Bunny-believer Guy.
- You really think Ryan Hill was ok with 2 x Carpetbaggers hijacking his spot at worlds?
- Ben True ... yeah, Ben really wanted to stay home for Rio. He was OK w/that? Your telling me that their were no financial penalties to him compared to the double-dipping, carpet-bagging, fraudulent enlistment/immigrants that milk the situation for what it is worth.
patriot wrote:
They still had to go through basic training or officer training depending on whether they're officer/enlisted. More than you did. They have the possibility of being taken away from training to go back to the regular army in the event of a major conflict. And some of them were "real soldiers" before WCAP.
For example, Elkanah Kibet deployed and spent time in Iraq. More than your sorry ass has ever done for this country. Here's a great read for anyone interested.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/10/for-the-love-of-running-how-elkanah-kibet-went-from-a-deployment-in-iraq-to-21131-at-the-chicago-marathon-in-less-than-a-year/
I'm with you on Sgt Kibet ... well done!
Hill does not seem to express any disdain toward his fellow US teammates in this interview.
Can't speak for True.
Carpet bagger is a term historically used by racist white southerners. Do you think about things before you type them?
mcvred wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZxI7Z8-2qAHill does not seem to express any disdain toward his fellow US teammates in this interview.
Can't speak for True.
Carpet bagger is a term historically used by racist white southerners. Do you think about things before you type them?
- What would you expect Ryan Hill to say .... "Screw WCAP!" C'mfion Man ... he's sponsored by Nike: the same outfit that underwrites WCAP support ... which folks should be investigating as well!
- Carpetbagger: a political candidate who seeks election in an area where they have no local connections. Does this help ease your racism angst?
Taking a step back...
Do you have a problem with people immigrating to the US?
Do you have a problem with any immigrants competing for the US once citizens or just WCAP?
Do you have a problem with all government employees trying to qualify for Olympic teams?
Did you have a problem with USPS sponsoring a professional cycling team?
mcvred wrote:
Why so negative?
My expectation was that USA T&F Patriots would rally & have a mature discussion about our current model of developing domestic world-class middle & distance runners. That both the SECDEF & IAAF leadership signals a rational way-ahead on such a hot-button issue such as East African trafficking. Moreover, no one faults Athletics Kenya for their current state of affairs ... that their citizens desire to represent other nations.
Instead - - BS charges of racism, anti-patriotism, veteran self-righteous indignation & alleged soldiers that claim a bump in their morale, welfare, & recreation despite WCAPers like Spc Chelimo performs like an ass-clown as he UNFORTUNATELY represents our nation ....
And to think --- it's cool to be an American & a Soldier on legs & lungs alone: BS!