Nolan McKenna
Nolan McKenna
Macdaddy wrote:
Youdontknowwhatyouretalkingabiut wrote:
Hey man, you really don't know what you're talking about! I was at the dispensary about 3 hours ago in San Diego county and you can buy one pound of private reserve top shelf Bud for $1,000. So I multiply that times 3.3 and your retail value is 3.3 thousand dollars! Nowhere near the $15,000 stated. Just because Illinois is a backwards state with Draconian drug laws doesn't mean they get to jack up the retail price!
Please show me ANY medical marijuana website that has $1,000 pounds. PLEASE. Because I’ve been to quite a few stores and only seen 90$ quads, 50$ 8ths and 20$ grams and was only allowed to purchase a half O.
Until then, a 10$ per gram price is more than fair in this estimate. In fact, 10$ per gram is the price you would pay if you sold it as an ounce. Selling to college students, it’s 15-20$ per gram. If he couldn’t makes 20k from that, he’s not a good salesman.
Lol, go on Weedmaps in Southern California and you'll see $50 quads, $35 5gram 1/8's (weighted hesvey, of course) and $150oz.
Yu won't see 1lb advertised on Weedmaps, but you go in almost any dispensary, and you'll find bulk and wholesale deals! Until you come to Southern California and actually see for yourself you don't know what you're talking about. You obviously aren't where legal weed is very popular.
All else aside that is a great mugshot. Dude has looks!
Macdaddy wrote:
Until then, a 10$ per gram price is more than fair in this estimate. In fact, 10$ per gram is the price you would pay if you sold it as an ounce. Selling to college students, it’s 15-20$ per gram. If he couldn’t makes 20k from that, he’s not a good salesman.
Yes, it has a potential street value of about $15,000 if sold at $10/gram (and it's not top shelf). But the reality is that the street level dealer who is selling grams only isn't buying 3.3 pounds at a time - as selling to 1,500 customers in a short window is a fvck ton of work. This amount of weed is for sure meant for trafficking, but it's not going to be sold at the gram level yet. Cops and prosecutors love to maximise the value of drugs, but the way you put a value on 3.3 pounds is what someone would pay for 3.3 pounds., which is not $15,000.
Clueless! wrote:
Macdaddy wrote:
Please show me ANY medical marijuana website that has $1,000 pounds. PLEASE. Because I’ve been to quite a few stores and only seen 90$ quads, 50$ 8ths and 20$ grams and was only allowed to purchase a half O.
Until then, a 10$ per gram price is more than fair in this estimate. In fact, 10$ per gram is the price you would pay if you sold it as an ounce. Selling to college students, it’s 15-20$ per gram. If he couldn’t makes 20k from that, he’s not a good salesman.
Lol, go on Weedmaps in Southern California and you'll see $50 quads, $35 5gram 1/8's (weighted hesvey, of course) and $150oz.
Yu won't see 1lb advertised on Weedmaps, but you go in almost any dispensary, and you'll find bulk and wholesale deals! Until you come to Southern California and actually see for yourself you don't know what you're talking about. You obviously aren't where legal weed is very popular.
CO prices, mountain town prices as 3/1/18.
Gorilla Glue #4, testing @ 30.4% thc,
OZ price = 200.00, recreational.
Medical, Reaper, testing @ 29.1% thc &
1.9% cbd, OZ price = 150.00.
wholesale med, 1 lb = 1,600.00.
....Joe dirtweed don't know the cannabis industry!
joedirt wrote:
Unfortunately most posters on this site haven't lived long enough to see the long term side effects of recreational drug use (especially recreational drug use at a young age). Harmless pot has been a factor in at least three suicides of people I have known growing up, and at least two individuals I have known that have had to check in to mental health clinics due to psychosis from smoking weed. It is not a harmless drug. I have seen it ruin enough lives to know better. This guy will be dealing with the adverse effects of this arrest for the rest of his life.
There is a lot of credibility to this post. The long-term effects don't really present themselves initially while everyone is having fun. But the reality is that it is really the gateway drug as everyone warns while you're growing up. It's the high that goes unsatisfied. Out comes amotivational consequences: latency, lethargy and dependency. Just the mind set of being attracted to "Bob Marley" and "tie dye" on the behalf of the drug is enough in your re-orient your pursuit. Later it becomes your identity and stunts intellectual function. Before long the party requires more. Could be coke. Could be oxy or percocet. Heaven forbid, it could be heroin. I have seen it first hand.
I came from a suburban community where pot was essentially glorified by Dead Heads and Phish Followers. The trend moved to college. Everybody was indeed doing it including me. It was fun for a while but as the deaths total every year from my locale drugs were connected some how and the basis of our subculture. You won't see it until you've lost someone and then begin to answer the question as to where things went wrong in their life. What led them to death? Why were they where they were? What were they doing? In cases where toxicology reports were needed it becomes quite apparent that we had a problem and the start of it wasn't as funny as we made it out to be.
legal opinion wrote:
Before I discern I will state the following: this young man's life changed that day and changes right now. He will enter a depression and lose friends, activities like running, have a lot hanging over his head, etc. I hope when he reads this he matures and acknowledges it is a long road ahead. Stay strong kid and stay out of trouble.
Now I will share the technicalities. Depends on the following things:
* how it was found
* what he admitted
* past convictions
* who he and his family retains as his legal defense
I have seen illegal search and seizures be exposed in the courtroom and things like this dismissed. The mail will be have different elements to it but a lot of factors are at platly. Important questions are who sent it, from where and where was he at the time it was sent. Also, if he kept his mouth shut and didnt leave a paper trail there is hope.
This is going to be federal I'd think which sounds worse than state level convictions but you'd be surprised.
I saw a 500 plant grow operation case in the state of Wisconsin of a "once in a lifetime student" of horticulture according to teachers end up with about a year. He owned a house at 22 and the electricity bill was about 6-8x greater than his neighbors which brought about suspicions. He is now happily pursuing his PhD. I wont share assumptions about how he got off that lightly but the feds will "cooperate" under the right circumstances.
I saw two young men in the state of Minnesota, both college students, get popped with 5.5lbs in the trunk. Initially both kept their mouths shut and requested legal representation. The driver was willing to take the blame and his more established friend said nothing. They were both really good friends all their lives. The one who said nothing was given a non-criminal citation. The one who took the blame was later acquitted on a technicality.
Two 80+ year olds in Illinois (I think) were caught with a mega farm. Each got a year.
Of course there are bad stories too. But this kid's parents need to go to the well to get him good representation. You need super lawyers with the drop-jaw effect to enter the court room on his behalf and that is just the beginning. Regardless of outcome nobody actually wins in the courtroom. All the best to him.
Yea, I had a co-worker that got caught with a couple pounds in college. He was definitely a dealer. His parents were quite loaded. Nothing showed up on the background check when he was hired. We found out about it by Googling his name and reading a couple articles about the incident. With the right resources, you can wiggle your way out of these things.
real poster #5 wrote:
Later it becomes your identity and stunts intellectual function. Before long the party requires more. Could be coke. Could be oxy or percocet. Heaven forbid, it could be heroin. I have seen it first hand.
Credibility? Based on what? Some anecdotes? When does the party require more? I've been smoking heavily since 2012, and since 2015 I've been dabbing concentrates regularly...and I have zero need for "more". Hell, I even finished my Master's in engineering while pretty much high all the time. I run, cycle, hike stoned. I might even consider myself a habitual smoker. To me, it's just like caffeine. Actually, caffeine and weed are my drugs of choice.
But here are my anecdotes....I'm around many people with phd's and and master's who smoke on varying levels. All of us have family lives or hobbies and lead quite fruitful lives. We all have professional licenses and are in the upper echelon in our fields. Everyone is different and your anecdotes sound straight out of reefer madness.
AbsolutelyClueless wrote:
CO prices, mountain town prices as 3/1/18.
Gorilla Glue #4, testing @ 30.4% thc,
OZ price = 200.00, recreational.
Medical, Reaper, testing @ 29.1% thc &
1.9% cbd, OZ price = 150.00.
wholesale med, 1 lb = 1,600.00.
....Joe dirtweed don't know the cannabis industry!
Thank you! And that's in expensive Colorado! When I was there this summer I didn't smoke all week because I felt like I was getting ripped off due to being spoiled by SoCal prices.
totally wrote:
vivalarepublica wrote:
But that would take away activity for our massive drug and criminal enforcement apparatus, and we can't leave them out in the cold.
You and I are on exactly the same page; this is all just ludicrous and retrograde thinking. Idiots like Sessions want to move us back to the 50's to a life that worked very well for conservative, religious white guys... but no one else.
Yes sir. The embedded beneficiaries to current policies and funding are the biggest enemies of reform. It doesn't matter if the reform is a complete no-brainer that reduces a massive waste of resources (e.g. the current MJ enforcement and criminal justice scheme). Those nacro-state beneficiaries don't want to lose their funding, influence, and power, even if it makes our country less screwed up.
Clueless! wrote:
Macdaddy wrote:
Please show me ANY medical marijuana website that has $1,000 pounds. PLEASE. Because I’ve been to quite a few stores and only seen 90$ quads, 50$ 8ths and 20$ grams and was only allowed to purchase a half O.
Until then, a 10$ per gram price is more than fair in this estimate. In fact, 10$ per gram is the price you would pay if you sold it as an ounce. Selling to college students, it’s 15-20$ per gram. If he couldn’t makes 20k from that, he’s not a good salesman.
Lol, go on Weedmaps in Southern California and you'll see $50 quads, $35 5gram 1/8's (weighted hesvey, of course) and $150oz.
Yu won't see 1lb advertised on Weedmaps, but you go in almost any dispensary, and you'll find bulk and wholesale deals! Until you come to Southern California and actually see for yourself you don't know what you're talking about. You obviously aren't where legal weed is very popular.
Right... so... California law (as of 3 months ago) says "You can buy one ounce of adult use cannabis per day. If you are a medical patient and have proper authorization from a doctor, you can buy up to 8 ounces a day.
So... The Law + my experiences in Cali/Colo = you're wrong. I'm also seeing the 'average' price for an 8th in Cali is $50 plus tax. Please post a legit source/website that shows anything else.
Even if the kid only sold $50 quads (which I've NEVER seen any drug dealer do), that's $10,560 over the 3.3 pounds.
FYI, I'm not bashing MJ, it's my go-to - let's just not pretend that 3.3 pounds of MJ is only worth 3k on the street.
macdaddy wrote:
Right... so... California law (as of 3 months ago) says "You can buy one ounce of adult use cannabis per day. If you are a medical patient and have proper authorization from a doctor, you can buy up to 8 ounces a day.
So... The Law + my experiences in Cali/Colo = you're wrong. I'm also seeing the 'average' price for an 8th in Cali is $50 plus tax. Please post a legit source/website that shows anything else.
Even if the kid only sold $50 quads (which I've NEVER seen any drug dealer do), that's $10,560 over the 3.3 pounds.
FYI, I'm not bashing MJ, it's my go-to - let's just not pretend that 3.3 pounds of MJ is only worth 3k on the street.
Lol, here we go again. It's $40 for a medical recommedation and yo can do it online. That gets you your 8oz. But the point is moot, you can buy any quantity you want. You don't pay sales tax here in CA yet, either.
Please post your sources for you $50+tax 1/8th. I'll drive over to the dispensary that's 5 miles away and prove you wrong.
If mj is your go-to, then it would be in your best interest to not perpetuate this inflated street value for a freaking plant. Let's not pretend that a pound of plant that you can grow in your backyard is worth thousands of dollars. It's only worth that much because the federal government creating the black market due to prejudice and racism back in the 1930's.
Clueless! wrote:
macdaddy wrote:
Right... so... California law (as of 3 months ago) says "You can buy one ounce of adult use cannabis per day. If you are a medical patient and have proper authorization from a doctor, you can buy up to 8 ounces a day.
So... The Law + my experiences in Cali/Colo = you're wrong. I'm also seeing the 'average' price for an 8th in Cali is $50 plus tax. Please post a legit source/website that shows anything else.
Even if the kid only sold $50 quads (which I've NEVER seen any drug dealer do), that's $10,560 over the 3.3 pounds.
FYI, I'm not bashing MJ, it's my go-to - let's just not pretend that 3.3 pounds of MJ is only worth 3k on the street.
Lol, here we go again. It's $40 for a medical recommedation and yo can do it online. That gets you your 8oz. But the point is moot, you can buy any quantity you want. You don't pay sales tax here in CA yet, either.
Please post your sources for you $50+tax 1/8th. I'll drive over to the dispensary that's 5 miles away and prove you wrong.
If mj is your go-to, then it would be in your best interest to not perpetuate this inflated street value for a freaking plant. Let's not pretend that a pound of plant that you can grow in your backyard is worth thousands of dollars. It's only worth that much because the federal government creating the black market due to prejudice and racism back in the 1930's.
Truth.
Dirty Joe is wrong so many ways.
No taxes in CO. All taxes & fees built in to pricing.
(Prices listed prior/above was top shelf. Medical prices for standard can be as low as 100.00 z's. These products test just as high btw)
Disagree. I am personally less inclined to want to try anything else when I solely have weed. (yes, less inclined to even drink). By the way, alcohol and opiates destroy way more lives than marijuana has or ever will. But hey, it's legal so it's totally ok. Smh
totally not wrote
LOL... seriously?? People who commit suicide do so for a wide variety of reasons, most of which have to do with untreated depression. What possible evidence do you have that pot was a factor in their suicides?? How do you know pot didn't lower their stress and depression to a point that delayed their suicides?
Psychosis from smoking weed? Again, do you have access to their clinical diagnosis that states pot was the causal effect? Your post is a classic example of the fallacy of the small sample set... "Gee, I've seen a few people who had problems I THINK were caused by pot (with no actual evidence whatsoever) therefor it must be bad!"
I know doctors, scientists, software engineers, civil engineers, incredibly successful professionals from all walks of life, fit athletes as well) who smoke pot recreationally and have wonderful, rich, great lives.
Your post is just silly.
In fairness, there is evidence to suggest that pot can be associated with psychosis in young minds that are predisposed to psychotic illness.
There is also evidence to suggest that it serves as potent analgesic and appetite stimulant for cancer patients undergoing palliation.
Anecdotally, I know doctors (myself included), lawyers, engineers, successful fathers, and athletes who smoke from time to time for recreation.
I also know people who smoke habitually (3 or more times per day) and absolutely suffer from amotivation and memory issues (whether it's the chicken or the egg, who knows).
Bottom line, it is neither as bad as some people make it out to be and neither is it the panacea that others label it as.
Pot is a recreational drug that is certainly no worse than alcohol and should absolutely be legal in our society. Too much money is spent investigating and processing people for weed offenses. Too many otherwise productive individuals have options taken away from them because of a black mark on their record.
It's unfortunate that this talented young man may have options taken away from him in the future for such a minor offense. He likely won't spend much time in jail but this very well could hamper his running career and future professional life.
With that being said, the law is what the law is. Even though it should (and hopefully will) change, don't order three pounds of pot through the mail to a state where it's not legal. That's just dumb.
I thought this was just another Philip Rocha thread doh.
Fjsjajdjdjsjdjd wrote:
totally not wrote
LOL... seriously?? People who commit suicide do so for a wide variety of reasons, most of which have to do with untreated depression. What possible evidence do you have that pot was a factor in their suicides?? How do you know pot didn't lower their stress and depression to a point that delayed their suicides?
Psychosis from smoking weed? Again, do you have access to their clinical diagnosis that states pot was the causal effect? Your post is a classic example of the fallacy of the small sample set... "Gee, I've seen a few people who had problems I THINK were caused by pot (with no actual evidence whatsoever) therefor it must be bad!"
I know doctors, scientists, software engineers, civil engineers, incredibly successful professionals from all walks of life, fit athletes as well) who smoke pot recreationally and have wonderful, rich, great lives.
Your post is just silly.
In fairness, there is evidence to suggest that pot can be associated with psychosis in young minds that are predisposed to psychotic illness.
There is also evidence to suggest that it serves as potent analgesic and appetite stimulant for cancer patients undergoing palliation.
Anecdotally, I know doctors (myself included), lawyers, engineers, successful fathers, and athletes who smoke from time to time for recreation.
I also know people who smoke habitually (3 or more times per day) and absolutely suffer from amotivation and memory issues (whether it's the chicken or the egg, who knows).
Bottom line, it is neither as bad as some people make it out to be and neither is it the panacea that others label it as.
Pot is a recreational drug that is certainly no worse than alcohol and should absolutely be legal in our society. Too much money is spent investigating and processing people for weed offenses. Too many otherwise productive individuals have options taken away from them because of a black mark on their record.
It's unfortunate that this talented young man may have options taken away from him in the future for such a minor offense. He likely won't spend much time in jail but this very well could hamper his running career and future professional life.
With that being said, the law is what the law is. Even though it should (and hopefully will) change, don't order three pounds of pot through the mail to a state where it's not legal. That's just dumb.
Thanks for another reasonable opinion. You understand the nuance behind things and don't see in black and white, like too many people do. However, I wish there were more that atypical marijuana users like myself could do to help reduce stigma/artificial limitation because of a law that wasn't made in earnest. Donating to NORML helps, but it's not enough.
I guess we'll have to wait another 10-20 years when many of the younger people of today get into positions to make a difference and one's use of weed, just like someone's alternative lifestyle, will be about as important to other people as what hand they write with.
I think fjsj, etc. is both accurate and balanced.
One thing medical doctors uniformly relate is that they discourage pot use for teens and adolescents. I am curious about the variance in terms of impact. Some cope with life quite well with pot use; others, it seems become dependent on it (perhaps a minority), and lack of motivation and cognitive issues become a problem (one of my brother's in-laws has been a heavy, heavy pot user since his teens, and he is simply incapable, despite a reasonably high IQ, of managing any job or showing any sense of urgency in anything - he is essentially a ward of my brother, who fortunately, can afford it). I concede that in some of these amotivational cases one cannot conflate correlation with causation, but I point to once again that physicians routinely discourage pot use among adolescents and teens, and when they encounter it, they are worried about long term impacts to both brain functioning and towards habits of self-medication.
So in this vein I have trouble with exalting pot use - which of course is a different subject than making its use non-criminal. As a public health matter, and without reference to alcohol, opoids, and so on, it does pose some public health challenges (beyond the obvious that smoking anything is not desirable).
I am glad I never picked up the habit. I was too poor to do anything but eat in my teen years and while on track scholarship, in college, so spending anything on other than food made no sense to me, and once successful later in life as an adult, it is one less habit or thing I don't have to deal with.
Jared Borowsky
Personal Records:
800m - 1:58.57
1600m - 4:18.18
1 Mile - 4:21.05
3000m (in) - 8:29.31
3200m - 9:07.47
3 Mile (xc) - 14:38.70
5K (xc) - 15:12.00
8K (xc) - 23:37.90
Smh at society wrote:
So ridiculous that someone can be arrested for weed in 2018. What a joke
The law is not up for debate, you don't have to agree with it, you have to abide by it. This kid is in big trouble; 3.3 lbs is a lot, it's above the weight for a typical street-level dealer. If this was a Black intercity kid, he would be called a distributor as-in running a criminal enterprise and his prison sentence would be similar to committing rape. For a White suburban kid, college student, with a good lawyer, 1st-time offender, best case scenario, he is looking at about 5 years of prison time. Depending on the state, a good lawyer can make big difference when the amount is less than a kilo, but 3.3lbs...your toast.