What are run by Ches. I'm fine with Rojo's analysis except mentioning his age in the first post didn't make much sense to me. The mile is seldomly run by top talents indoors so let's not pretend Chaz is a top 3 miler in the world right now. But he's a beast and I'm really impressed with what he's doing. Making the most of it. See you in this result got me excited. Be interesting to see if people thought he could break 330 Outdoors.
If Ches had run 3:32.5, an equivalent performance, it would've made him the #4 best all-time, and the #6 best performance, ever.
How is that for imperial vs metric?
BTW - the three men that have run under 3:32.5 indoors? Haile, Hicham, and Lablan Rotich, who was african champion, 3:29 1500m runner and 4th in the '96 Oly (a little before his prime, maybe)
What's the indoor world record?
Questionn wrote:
What's the indoor world record?
El G. 3:48.55.
I was there. Sure it was a solo run but the building was packed with screaming fans so its not like he was out by himself at practice. The crowd, and the fact that he was paced to 1200m, likely made up for the lack of competition
vivalarepublica wrote:
Questionn wrote:
What's the indoor world record?
El G. 3:48.55.
Oops. 3:48.45.
1. Quit pretending to be surprised when rojo says something controversial or ignorant. That's like being shocked when Trump lies or can't name more than 4 of the 50 U.S. state capitals. rojo has been fanning the flames of public outrage for as long as this message board has been here and allowed others to do the same.
2. If you know rojo is talking crap, then acknowledge this and move on. I am quite sure he's shading people with the "sub-3:50 isn't that impressive" talk; he knows damned well how few times this has ever been done and what the implications are. (One good thing about being a goof most of the time is that it's very easy to feign cluelessness on those occasions when you actually do have a clue.)
3. Cheserek admitting to being at least 19 as a high-school senior is both superfluous and not a reason to assume he meant only 19. It is all but certain he turned 21 before he graduated.
hayward102 wrote:
Admittedly some reactions to this performance, and others, will be over the top. However, I'd suggest being a fan for once and just enjoying a great performance instead of starting a post about the 2nd fastest indoor mile ever with a reference to eligibility for high school records. It's your bias that prevents enjoyment of this run more so than the western bias that maybe inflates it some.
One of the best posts I’ve ever seen. I love to read Rojo’s writeups, but c’mon man. Give Chez some credit and be a fan. Plus, who cares about his age in high school when analyzing this particular race. Perspective...
BU price scam wrote:This track is also not as fast as the armory, despite what many will tell you.
Ive raced at BU about a dozen times, and at the armory 6 or 7 times. Ive been to each as a coach at least twice as many times. The armory is a nice track with a lot of history, but it is unquestionably slower, and I don't think I've ever even had an athlete in 10 years say they think the armory is faster.
This reminds me of his reaction to the Kipchoge's almost sub2. Seemed disturbingly misplaced.
notafatty wrote:
Seriously rojo, you have a problem. Go talk to someone to sort out your validation issues.
rojo needs a hug.
What's with all of the people who said it was an amazing performance even after a self-professed guy who's knowledgeable about the sport told you that it wasn't?
Rojo minimalizes achievement of Kipchoge and now Cheserek. What gives, man? Seek help.
After the first 209m, his splits were actually remarkably consistent, going by letsrun's post, either 28 or 29 for every successive lap, and averaging 57/400m. He probably could go a second faster with somewhat faster pacers, but BU is also a very fast track.
David Phrum wrote:
1. Quit pretending to be surprised when rojo says something controversial or ignorant. That's like being shocked when Trump lies or can't name more than 4 of the 50 U.S. state capitals. rojo has been fanning the flames of public outrage for as long as this message board has been here and allowed others to do the same.
2. If you know rojo is talking crap, then acknowledge this and move on. I am quite sure he's shading people with the "sub-3:50 isn't that impressive" talk; he knows damned well how few times this has ever been done and what the implications are. (One good thing about being a goof most of the time is that it's very easy to feign cluelessness on those occasions when you actually do have a clue.)
3. Cheserek admitting to being at least 19 as a high-school senior is both superfluous and not a reason to assume he meant only 19. It is all but certain he turned 21 before he graduated.
Point 3 is nonsensical. When he first arrived in the US, he was ALREADY declared as being overage for his grade by 1 year. He has never tried to hide the fact that he believed he was overage at all. As for supposedly being 21, I would like to see even a SINGLE piece of Proof for that.
This isn't like Solomon Haile, who was claiming to be 18 while registering for races and stating his age as 20 - 21. Cheserek admitted he was overage from the start, and has demonstrated perfectly reasonable PRs as he's progressed (not like 17-year old Isaiah Koech with the 12:53 indoor 5K).
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T&F Nut wrote:
I've read many stupid posts on this site, but this one far surpasses any of them. What they hell is your point? The guy runs 3:49 and you spend your time trying to make the case that it really isn't that big of a deal. To add insult to injury, you a co-founder of the site. It figures.
He was saying. It’s not a bigger deal than it was. Try to read. The indoor records are soft and everyone who follows the sports knows that. Indoor tracks are faster than ever.
BU price scam wrote:
Just walked in the door from the race. I live and work in Boston, so I was able to bike there after work and made it around 6:30.
BU was charging $10 for single day admissions. So tomorrow when I want to watch any of the other men's races I'll need to pay another 10$... This is my biggest gripe. They also did not open up the lower tier to anyone but athletes, so I wasn't able to get super close to the track. Seating is fairly limited and if BU continues to develop as a venue for elite runners, then they will likely need to expand their facility.
The place was pretty packed and unlike in 2013/2014 when Rupp ran, they didn't pop open the doors to cool down the facility. Obviously Ches is not as soft as Rupp/Alberto. Most everyone in the place, including parents, were pretty aware of what was happening and everyone was going wild from the second Ches started doing strides on the track.
I will say, this race very much had a time trial vibe with only 3 athletes. This felt less true in Rupp's 3:50.9, when Jenkins, and others rode on the back of the train to run 3:57-8. Funny to think Jenkins is probably a much better miler than Rupp now.
The race:
Kidder was out a little slow, around 31s for 209m, and I imagine they would've wanted to be out fast, if anything. Kidder was able to pick it up a little bit and keep them on pace through the next few laps, but you could see Ches move up close behind Piazza whenever the pace was lagging. When Kidder stepped off, it was obvious that Piazza was already starting to feel the pace but he was pretty game to pick it up for Ches, who was running up Piazza's heels by then. Around a 1000m, Piazza started to drift wide and give Ches the inside lane. To his credit, Piazza kicked it in well to stay in front of Ches just through the 1200m mark and from there it seemed less a question of could Ches close it out, and more of a question of just how fast he could go. In fact, down the back stretch I wondered if Ches knew he had 2 laps to go as he was moving so well. Basically from this point on, it was so loud you could not hear a thing as the crowd could tell this was a special performance. In a lot of ways, it was more exciting than when Rupp was out hard and clearly struggling the last few laps of his 3:50.9, because you could just tell Ches had so much in the tank.
My 2 cents are that Ches could break the WR in a more evenly paced race, or with more competition. This track is also not as fast as the armory, despite what many will tell you.
You paid a whole $10 to sit 30 feet from trackside and watch the 2nd fastest indoor mile ever? And you’re complaining that you got ripped off? Did they nick you for $25 to valet park? And they’ve got the unmitigated gall to want another $10 for a whole program of track tomorrow. In Boston! Probably top 5 most expensive cities to live in after NY, San Fran....you should be bragging how badly you “price scammed” them!
Hi - I run a running website and I'm going to hype the hell out of this sub 3:50 on the main page but then downplay the hell out of it on my 'world famous'(*) message board and gripe about Western bias.
* famous for extreme levels of bullshit, even for the internet.
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