John Utah wrote:
it's an outrage that sec teams play four ooc games, with at least three being cupcakes. And not just cupcakes, but total cupcakes. "Mercer". WTF?
It's an outrage that non-SEC team's cupcakes are all in conference.
John Utah wrote:
it's an outrage that sec teams play four ooc games, with at least three being cupcakes. And not just cupcakes, but total cupcakes. "Mercer". WTF?
It's an outrage that non-SEC team's cupcakes are all in conference.
Yes, the NFL. Such class on display.
Gotta bee wrote:
one I'm pac-12 fan, and they don't deserve to be in
and I'm just here targeting the overrated state fans hypocrisy here, "win and in" didn't apply to Penn last year and they actually beat Ohio, so if Ohio beats Wisco they shouldn't be in over Alabama based on the comity's choices last year.... simple
What Pac-12 school has such terrible writing standards? Oregon?
John Utah wrote:
it's an outrage that sec teams play four ooc games, with at least three being cupcakes. And not just cupcakes, but total cupcakes. "Mercer". WTF?
I've said it time and time again. The SEC is over inflated. The reason why there's so many ranked SEC teams is for the exact reason they play those cupcake teams. The non conference games they schedule are usually against garbage opponents. And when ranked opponents play each other they just shuffle around on the top 25 list. The only time the SEC gets tested is during bowl games when there's nothing left on the line for them but a bowl win or loss.
dumb ducks wrote:
Gotta bee wrote:
one I'm pac-12 fan, and they don't deserve to be in
and I'm just here targeting the overrated state fans hypocrisy here, "win and in" didn't apply to Penn last year and they actually beat Ohio, so if Ohio beats Wisco they shouldn't be in over Alabama based on the comity's choices last year.... simple
What Pac-12 school has such terrible writing standards? Oregon?
I honestly could care less of your opinion on my writing abilities on letsrun.com
Gotta bee wrote:
win and in wrote:
Cool. Then start a thread bashing OSU. I don't think they should get in either but if they win the Big 10 they will have a better resume than Alabama even with the Iowa and Oklahoma losses.
one I'm pac-12 fan, and they don't deserve to be in
and I'm just here targeting the overrated state fans hypocrisy here, "win and in" didn't apply to Penn last year and they actually beat Ohio, so if Ohio beats Wisco they shouldn't be in over Alabama based on the comity's choices last year.... simple
I don't understand what point you are trying to make as you've jumped all over the place. Are you saying Alabama's resume this year is comparable to Ohio State's resume last year? Because it's not...
I said if you have a garbage schedule you need to win your way in through the conference champs (Alabama and Wisconsin this year). I didn't say that's your only way in if you have big wins. And Alabama could still get in frankly, but they need help.
Over inflation wrote:
John Utah wrote:
it's an outrage that sec teams play four ooc games, with at least three being cupcakes. And not just cupcakes, but total cupcakes. "Mercer". WTF?
I've said it time and time again. The SEC is over inflated. The reason why there's so many ranked SEC teams is for the exact reason they play those cupcake teams. The non conference games they schedule are usually against garbage opponents. And when ranked opponents play each other they just shuffle around on the top 25 list. The only time the SEC gets tested is during bowl games when there's nothing left on the line for them but a bowl win or loss.
The solution is that a win against a garbage opponent would count as only a half-game. And that a team requires 12 real games to be considered for the playoffs, and cannot be ranked higher than #10. Alabama would be out with only 10-1/2 real games played. Georgia and Auburn would be out as well. ... Basically, schedule more than two cupcakes and your team cannot be in the playoffs even if it wins it's conference final.
Dee Flation wrote:
Over inflation wrote:
I've said it time and time again. The SEC is over inflated. The reason why there's so many ranked SEC teams is for the exact reason they play those cupcake teams. The non conference games they schedule are usually against garbage opponents. And when ranked opponents play each other they just shuffle around on the top 25 list. The only time the SEC gets tested is during bowl games when there's nothing left on the line for them but a bowl win or loss.
The solution is that a win against a garbage opponent would count as only a half-game. And that a team requires 12 real games to be considered for the playoffs, and cannot be ranked higher than #10. Alabama would be out with only 10-1/2 real games played. Georgia and Auburn would be out as well. ... Basically, schedule more than two cupcakes and your team cannot be in the playoffs even if it wins it's conference final.
Exactly: more emphasis on good wins vs maintaining zero losses
College football is a very odd sport in which the top teams win 85% to 100% of their regular season games.
I'd rather go back to the old regional conferences (Big 8, SWC, etc) with more of an emphasis on rivalries and traditions OR move to a "premier league" setup where the top 20 ish teams all play each other every single week. Bottom few get relegated to lower tiers.
Gotta bee wrote:
dumb ducks wrote:
What Pac-12 school has such terrible writing standards? Oregon?
I honestly could care less of your opinion on my writing abilities on letsrun.com
Glad to hear you at least care somewhat.
When you break down 'Bama's schedule and record, it is definitively unimpressive.
They did not have a decent team on the schedule until Auburn.
So, one (1) touch game and they get their butts kicked in.
And, NO, LSU is not a good team.
Yet they put that dumpster fire of a team Ohio State in over Penn State. The truth is the committee only puts in teams that will sell big time tickets and revenue. Penn State got screwed last year but now this year Ohiostate wins the conference they are in. What???
Joony wrote:
John Utah wrote:
it's an outrage that sec teams play four ooc games, with at least three being cupcakes. And not just cupcakes, but total cupcakes. "Mercer". WTF?
It's an outrage that non-SEC team's cupcakes are all in conference.
Really? This nonsense again? Prior to Georgia in 2017, when was the last time there was a good SEC team not named Georgia or Auburn?
The SEC has 14 teams and they play an 8 game schedule. You play the 6 division opponents and 2 from the other division. So Georgia only has to face 2 SEC west teams this year, then they get to fill up on teams like Tenn, Kentucky, Missouri, and Vandy.
Back to the OP's original omission. Sure Alabama has 1 loss, but they have beaten exactly 1 team this year that has a winning record within a Power 5 conference (LSU). Other wins include FSU (3-5 ACC), Vandy (1-7 SEC), Ole Miss (3-5 SEC ), A&M (4-4 SEC ), Ark (1-7 SEC ), Tenn (0-8 SEC ), Miss State (4-4 SEC).
So sure Alabama has 1 loss to a very good opponent, which won't hurt their cause to a great extent. They just have a very weak resume of quality wins. Not playing in the conferences championship will likely further damage their standing.
Part of me hopes 2 major conferences get shafted this year, so we can hasten the move to a 8 team playoff and just give Power 5 champions an automatic berth. The other part hopes the committee finally emphasizes how many real games a team has won, over the lack of losses on their record.
This is a fun tool from Fivethirtyeight. Unfortunately it leave this debate wide open!
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-college-football-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo
I don't think there are this many scenarios going into this weekend.
1) ACC winner is in
2) SEC winner is in
3) Big 10 champ is in
4) Oklahoma is in if they win. If they don't, Alabama will slide in.
The only ambiguity I see is if TCU absolutely murders Oklahoma, which won't happen with OU's offense.
Nick Satan wrote:
Joony wrote:
It's an outrage that non-SEC team's cupcakes are all in conference.
Really? This nonsense again? Prior to Georgia in 2017, when was the last time there was a good SEC team not named Georgia or Auburn?
Uhh. Ever hear of Alabama? They’ve been pretty good.
I agree with 1 and 2. I think 3 and 4 presume too much. For instance, if Ohio State wins and Oklahoma loses, I can't see the committee (I know they love Ohio State) putting OSU in over an Oklahoma team that beat it head to head. So, if 2 teams (ACC and SEC winner are in), the easy outcomes are if Wisconsin and Oklahoma wins. Then there are a relatively clear top 4. If those things don't happen, I think AL has a good chance. Probably in better shape if Auburn wins than GA.
CFPZ wrote:
I don't think there are this many scenarios going into this weekend.
1) ACC winner is in
2) SEC winner is in
3) Big 10 champ is in
4) Oklahoma is in if they win. If they don't, Alabama will slide in.
The only ambiguity I see is if TCU absolutely murders Oklahoma, which won't happen with OU's offense.
Alternate Reality wrote:
When you break down 'Bama's schedule and record, it is definitively unimpressive.
They did not have a decent team on the schedule until Auburn.
So, one (1) touch game and they get their butts kicked in.
And, NO, LSU is not a good team.
Factor in that Clemson crushed Auburn more than the score of that game indicated. Auburn managed 117 yards in total offense. Auburn's QB managed 79 yards passing on 24 attempts, and netted MINUS 24 yards rushing on 18 attempts. That is 35 yards in offense on 42 plays for the QB. Auburn managed 2 field goals in the first 16 minutes and was shutout the rest of the game.
Clemson >>> Auburn wrote:
Alternate Reality wrote:
When you break down 'Bama's schedule and record, it is definitively unimpressive.
They did not have a decent team on the schedule until Auburn.
So, one (1) touch game and they get their butts kicked in.
And, NO, LSU is not a good team.
Factor in that Clemson crushed Auburn more than the score of that game indicated. Auburn managed 117 yards in total offense. Auburn's QB managed 79 yards passing on 24 attempts, and netted MINUS 24 yards rushing on 18 attempts. That is 35 yards in offense on 42 plays for the QB. Auburn managed 2 field goals in the first 16 minutes and was shutout the rest of the game.
That should be: netted MINUS 42 yards rushing on 18 attempts
CFPZ is right on the money. Alabama is out. You can not lose late. They should have lost the week before to MSU. Hurts can't throw down field. He can run, and he uses that to his advantage a lot, but it does not work against a great defense. Hard to believe that Saban was whining and politicking to get in immediately after the victory. He knows the deal. Bye Bama! See you next year.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
I agree with 1 and 2. I think 3 and 4 presume too much. For instance, if Ohio State wins and Oklahoma loses, I can't see the committee (I know they love Ohio State) putting OSU in over an Oklahoma team that beat it head to head.
So, if 2 teams (ACC and SEC winner are in), the easy outcomes are if Wisconsin and Oklahoma wins. Then there are a relatively clear top 4. If those things don't happen, I think AL has a good chance. Probably in better shape if Auburn wins than GA.
CFPZ wrote:
I don't think there are this many scenarios going into this weekend.
1) ACC winner is in
2) SEC winner is in
3) Big 10 champ is in
4) Oklahoma is in if they win. If they don't, Alabama will slide in.
The only ambiguity I see is if TCU absolutely murders Oklahoma, which won't happen with OU's offense.
While I agree it will be close if OSU narrowly wins and Oklahoma loses, I believe they will pick OSU based on weighing being in a deeper conference and winning it higher than an early season head-to-head matchup. Maybe we'll get to see - I prefer the circus over the simple.