Deer Paul Chelimo: American runners were doing fine before you came along

These athletes have come to the U.S. to be apart of this country and make a better life for themselves. As U.S. citizens they have the right to vote and have due process under the law and every other right given to a U.S. citizen. This includes representing the U.S. in the Olympics.

I say welcome.

Are we sure that WCAP isn't part of a larger DARPA program to develop "super soldiers" that can move quicker and fight for days on end via chemistry? Recruiting some inexpensive, glory seeking test subjects under the cover of a distance running program could be a good way to test undetectable new performance/recovery drugs.

moose wrote:

I agree his quote was somewhat crude, but probably is just due to English being a 2nd language. What concerns me more is his fishy progression.

2011 - 14:03

2012 - 13:23

2013 - 13:36

2014 -

2015 -

2016 - 13:03.90 (Olympic silver)

He had a 3:40 1500m PR in college and now can close in 52 off a hot pace.

What's fishy? He's been talented. 13:23 in 2012 and 20 seconds faster 4 years later. Go back and look at 2013-2015 and all the injuries that kept him from progressing. 2015-2016 was the first time in his career where he had 1+ year of no injuries. He also had Shadrack Kipchirchir who was also pushing him to new heights. These athletes are literally perfect training partners for each other.

Lickety Split wrote:

boots on the MF ground wrote:

Your quote in the Deadspin article is quite disrespectful. I will give you the benefit of the doubt of being mis-quoted, but Americans were medaling in distance races before you. And they will continue to do so after you. We're not embarrassed of our runners. Though watching you try to yank yourself past Farah and Edris was rather embarrassing.

- Not to mention his pre-WC 5K antics in front of the camera .... mocking Mo & then motioning his head coming off like someone from ISIS. Helluva soldier!

That's actually what soldiers do overseas snowflake. They eliminate the enemy.

His quotes rubbed me the wrong way and seemed self agrandizing, almost like he's propping himself up as some sort of Kenyan savior to American distance running. Truth is, plenty of American born distance runners have won medals before you. And to be honest, those medals mean more to kids coming up in the sport, a Kenyan born distance runner isn't relatable to American born citizens. We've had plenty of African born runners win medals for the USA, you're nothing new. It has the feeling of an athletic mercenary, but I don't blame him one bit for playing his hand, I just wish he'd be more informed or respectful towards past athletes, "getting lapped" is strong. Be a little more respectful to the country that's given you this opportunity, I don't understand why he feels the need to insult.

gestev wrote:

That's not embarrassing at all to see him trying to win a Diamond League race. His competitiveness is one of the reasons I like him.

Right?!?! MFer just wants to win. USA 5K straight domination from the gun was what a bad ass competitor does.

FACT KING wrote:

moose wrote:

I agree his quote was somewhat crude, but probably is just due to English being a 2nd language. What concerns me more is his fishy progression.

2011 - 14:03

2012 - 13:23

2013 - 13:36

2014 -

2015 -

2016 - 13:03.90 (Olympic silver)

He had a 3:40 1500m PR in college and now can close in 52 off a hot pace.

What's fishy? He's been talented. 13:23 in 2012 and 20 seconds faster 4 years later. Go back and look at 2013-2015 and all the injuries that kept him from progressing. 2015-2016 was the first time in his career where he had 1+ year of no injuries. He also had Shadrack Kipchirchir who was also pushing him to new heights. These athletes are literally perfect training partners for each other.

Hmmm 3 years of no improvement and then magical results in an Olympic year. Who else does that remind me of???

Makhloufi

Ayana

Lance

Though I'm sure Chelimo's finishing speed just materialized our of the thin Colorado air.

Remember. 3:40 college PR. Now closes in 52 in a 13:06 race.

moose wrote:

Macdaddy wrote:

A 20 second PR in 4 seasons?! Woah... what's next? You gonna tell me it's during his prime athletic years too?! NO WAY!!

Right. 13:23 was his PR going into the Olympics. Nothing suspicious at all about missing 2 years of racing and then becoming the #2 5k'er in the world, is there? He probably didn't race in 2014/2015 so he could naturally build up to this one race, like most professional runners. One thing you can't take away from Chelimo is his laser sharp focus.

Wrong. His PR was 13:21.89 prior to the Olympics. This was the same year he beat both Lawi Lalang and Hassan Mead in the NCAA 5k (lost to Cam Levins) - ever heard of them? They're all pretty darn good (PRs of 13:00 for Lalang, 13:02 from Hassan, and 13:15 for Levins).

After this, it seems he joined the Army in 2014. Probably focused less on running, at least at first - makes a little sense, eh?

Then, once at the Olympics, he PR'd in the prelims running 13:19. And PR'd again (13:03) for his medal.

If Chelimo is doping, then Mead and Lalang must be super dopers. How on earth could they have improved so much, yet Chelimo - time-wise - improved less? Hmmm....

Or, maybe just maybe, an athlete improved during his prime years - just like all the athletes around him.

Barabbas wrote:

I would rather have a mediocre/poor showing at a championships than have a bunch of medals won by folks not raised in the US and brought up through our system. We may suck (like in the '90s), but least it would be real.

The European immigrants are doing a good job so why not African immigrants?

Somebody called lickety split is a hater...he hates on paul.nobody gives a damn shit about you sick man.Paul has talent and huge support,you are just one of the little devils that we expect to come across and we dont care.

Stop turning it racial. If Paul Chelimo was good enough 3 years ago to run for Kenya, he would have run for Kenya. Everyone here would rather see a kid from Ohio win a medal for the USA, than a kid from Iten, Prague or Buenos Aires. If you disagree, you're lying to yourself.

macdaddy wrote:

Wrong. His PR was 13:21.89 prior to the Olympics. This was the same year he beat both Lawi Lalang and Hassan Mead in the NCAA 5k (lost to Cam Levins) - ever heard of them? They're all pretty darn good (PRs of 13:00 for Lalang, 13:02 from Hassan, and 13:15 for Levins).

13.15? Brendan Foster ran faster than that in 1974!!

Creeps everywhere wrote:

Stop turning it racial. If Paul Chelimo was good enough 3 years ago to run for Kenya, he would have run for Kenya. Everyone here would rather see a kid from Ohio win a medal for the USA, than a kid from Iten, Prague or Buenos Aires. If you disagree, you're lying to yourself.

I enjoy seeing Chelimo win a medal much more than Rupp. Stop acting like you speak for everyone.

Did I say Rupp?

macdaddy wrote:

They're all pretty darn good (PRs of 13:00 for Lalang, 13:02 from Hassan, and 13:15 for Levins).

If Chelimo is doping, then Mead and Lalang must be super dopers. How on earth could they have improved so much, yet Chelimo - time-wise - improved less? Hmmm....

Or, maybe just maybe, an athlete improved during his prime years - just like all the athletes around him.

Olympic medals are that easy to come by, eh? I guess that's why Lalang, Hassan, and Levins have so many between them.

moose wrote:

macdaddy wrote:

They're all pretty darn good (PRs of 13:00 for Lalang, 13:02 from Hassan, and 13:15 for Levins).

If Chelimo is doping, then Mead and Lalang must be super dopers. How on earth could they have improved so much, yet Chelimo - time-wise - improved less? Hmmm....

Or, maybe just maybe, an athlete improved during his prime years - just like all the athletes around him.

Olympic medals are that easy to come by, eh? I guess that's why Lalang, Hassan, and Levins have so many between them.

Oops, Olympics are too exclusive. I meant to include World Championships as well, because those are even easier to obtain.

sleazazar wrote:

Creeps everywhere wrote:

Stop turning it racial. If Paul Chelimo was good enough 3 years ago to run for Kenya, he would have run for Kenya. Everyone here would rather see a kid from Ohio win a medal for the USA, than a kid from Iten, Prague or Buenos Aires. If you disagree, you're lying to yourself.

I enjoy seeing Chelimo win a medal much more than Rupp. Stop acting like you speak for everyone.

Your point is anecdotal. You don't like Rupp because of drug allegations, TUE's or his association with Salazar. You chose the least liked American runner to prove your point. How about this, play along this is only an example, spare me the that'll never happen nonsense. Chris Derrick and Chelimo are neck and neck in front on the bell lap at the Olympics, who are you cheering for?

moose wrote:

macdaddy wrote:

They're all pretty darn good (PRs of 13:00 for Lalang, 13:02 from Hassan, and 13:15 for Levins).

If Chelimo is doping, then Mead and Lalang must be super dopers. How on earth could they have improved so much, yet Chelimo - time-wise - improved less? Hmmm....

Or, maybe just maybe, an athlete improved during his prime years - just like all the athletes around him.

Olympic medals are that easy to come by, eh? I guess that's why Lalang, Hassan, and Levins have so many between them.

No they are not. Neither as US champ titles - like the one Mead earned this past summer.

Funny how... Chelimo beat Mead in college and now he's better than him in the pros - despite Mead currently being the best 10k man we have to offer.

You can try and change the goal posts as much as you would like. My point is that Chelimo has been beating legit talent for years. It's not like he came out of nowhere.

It's all about replacing Americans with foreigners. Blacks preferred over Whites and Browns here in this case.

You're being replaced by your own Army. Fight back. It's sickening.

I wouldn't watch that. My nation doesn't allow that.