Honestly don't see anything suspicious about Jakob, he has been setting records since he was 10 and been tested for several years. No extreme improvements from year to year. His brothers are another story, it is possible that henrik started doping after he couldn't run as fast as his 2012 season but def don't think jakob is doping.
Henrik is constantly talking about in interviews how one of his main reason for competing, is to show it is possible to compete against dopers while being clean. EVERYTHING so far is telling me he is nothing but a talented, hard-working athlete. The family uses altitude training and blood samples show they have good effect from this, nothing else.
Scandinavian 1 wrote:
I just came to think about this : If Jakob had been a 16 year young kenyan. Would we say and think the same as we do now? I believe we had not .
Then we had comment things like "Yea,you know. They don`t do anything then run since little kids and some of them are super talented. "
Jakob just happen to be a super talented very young European runner that started training very early.
you must be new here. if he is kenyan or Ethiopian, he is an age cheat.
a-greed.
Monaco steeple entries are up. Jakob s not there. However, slowest guy has 8:15 PB, so the race would have been too fast for him anyway. His first international race can't be at WC. Where is he racing the steeple next?
Scandinav wrote:
it is possible that henrik started doping after he couldn't run as fast as his 2012 season but def don't think jakob is doping.
2012 PB: 3:35.43. Not so fast anyways.
Hes doing the triple at u20 European championships in a few weeks. He will SMOKE the field in each event. Let's break it down
1500m: Jakobs PB=3:39.92, the next fastest runner has a pb of 3:40:72 so not that far off though he is 2 years older.
3000m sc: Jakobs PB:8:26, next fastest runner 8:38!
5000m: Jakob: 13:49, next runner 14:03
Im guessing he will set 3 new pb's, predicting 3:37. 8:22 and 13:32
If he had any cojones, he'd have come to to Nairobi for the World under 18s this week to test himself several African youngsters. The way the heats are looking, I don't think he'd have medaled in the 1500m.
He's already racing senior athletes at Worlds, and I think he probably wanted to race junior athletes one more time, rather than go to Nairobi.
Really? There is no one in either heat with a better PR than him, why would he not medal and crush the field?
I think he would beat them easy. But we will never know. So who cares.
And if he participates in the senior WC i would think he got balls big enough...
Nor-way wrote:
I think he would beat them easy. But we will never know. So who cares.
And if he participates in the senior WC i would think he got balls big enough...
Beat them easy? Justus Soget is younger than him, isn't even in the world under 18s, has run faster, in Nairobi and Eldoret.
I'm sure he will end up being a great runner in the future, but I'm not sure that he will break any WRs. Running super fast at a young age doesn't always match up with the GOATs' performances in the end. We'll see
Soget is older than him, Jakob is born 2000.
Nor-way wrote:
I think he would beat them easy. But we will never know. So who cares.
And if he participates in the senior WC i would think he got balls big enough...
You think he can run Soget's times in Nairobi & Eldoret altitude?
Why are you ignoring my posts? You seem to be ignoring all the facts. First off, how old is Soget really? First he's listed as 2001, but on IAAF 1999 with one result last year (huge progression too) which seems suspicious. He's at least 17 though. And why isn't Soget competing in the u18 since he has already qualified? Seems strange that 2 weeks before his trials where he ran 3:32 he only managed a 3:42.
Coevett wrote:
I wonder if anyone knows how fast Aouita ran in his famous 3000m steeplechase run in 1987? I know he lost to Alessandro Lambruschini who finished 9th in the world championships that year in 8:24, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was slower than the time Jakob has just run at 16.
To answer my own question, Aouita ran his 1987 steeplechase in 8:21.9, so faster than Jakob. But still incredible that a 16 year old middle-distance runner can run within 5 seconds of the time Aouita ran, given that Aouita's was at his peak and added greatly to his legend as the 'greatest mid/long distance runner in history.
Also Jakob won his race (right?) whereas Aouita lost, so Jakob might have run even faster if he had to.
Furthermore, I recently discovered that the 1987 steeplechase wasn't Aouita's debut in the event. He had actually been competing in it since 12 years previously, as he was 'ranked second as a junior in 1975' according to an old news article. He would have been 15 then. This is interesting as Said88 here has claimed that Aouita didn't even start running until he was 18.
http://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/08/31/Said-Aouita-of-Morocco-has-said-many-times-he/9365557380800/I can eat fiddy eggs wrote:
malmo wrote:Shakin my head, boss!
Keep shakin it, Luke.
This made me laugh. I'd say a good portion here have no idea what you're referring to.
Yeah, I doubt too many under 30 year olds have seen it. Great movie!
Coevett wrote:
I wonder if anyone knows how fast Aouita ran in his famous 3000m steeplechase run in 1987? I know he lost to Alessandro Lambruschini who finished 9th in the world championships that year in 8:24, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was slower than the time Jakob has just run at 16.
Furthermore, I recently discovered that the 1987 steeplechase wasn't Aouita's debut in the event. He had actually been competing in it since 12 years previously, as he was 'ranked second as a junior in 1975' according to an old news article. He would have been 15 then. This is interesting as Said88 here has claimed that Aouita didn't even start running until he was 18.
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Aouita was the 2nd fastest Junior in 1979, not 1975. I think I have given you his progression at least three times before.
Your comparison to Jakob Ingebrigtsen probably is a new all-time low-level even for you: "Aouita was such a terrible runner, because 16 year old Ingebrigtsen came within five seconds of his steeple-time".
For sure, if Cou would have tried the event, he would have run 7:55 (Ovett probably 7:45).
Aouita ran his steeple in his last race of '87, after two victories at the meditteranean games the days before. He reportedly almost came to an stop at the last barrier. But still ran a respectful 8:21.92 (than 82nd fastest all-time). Unfortunally he never tried the steeple and the 10000m again (800m in '88, injury problems from '90 onwards and probably loss of dedication after the Bronce from Seoul).
There can't be much doubt that 8:15 was possible for him. Anything else just would be pure speculation (unfortunally I just have small parts of his steeple on tape).
said88 wrote:
Coevett wrote:I wonder if anyone knows how fast Aouita ran in his famous 3000m steeplechase run in 1987? I know he lost to Alessandro Lambruschini who finished 9th in the world championships that year in 8:24, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was slower than the time Jakob has just run at 16.
Furthermore, I recently discovered that the 1987 steeplechase wasn't Aouita's debut in the event. He had actually been competing in it since 12 years previously, as he was 'ranked second as a junior in 1975' according to an old news article. He would have been 15 then. This is interesting as Said88 here has claimed that Aouita didn't even start running until he was 18.
Aouita was the 2nd fastest Junior in 1979, not 1975. I think I have given you his progression at least three times before.
Your comparison to Jakob Ingebrigtsen probably is a new all-time low-level even for you: "Aouita was such a terrible runner, because 16 year old Ingebrigtsen came within five seconds of his steeple-time".
For sure, if Cou would have tried the event, he would have run 7:55 (Ovett probably 7:45).
Aouita ran his steeple in his last race of '87, after two victories at the meditteranean games the days before. He reportedly almost came to an stop at the last barrier. But still ran a respectful 8:21.92 (than 82nd fastest all-time). Unfortunally he never tried the steeple and the 10000m again (800m in '88, injury problems from '90 onwards and probably loss of dedication after the Bronce from Seoul).
There can't be much doubt that 8:15 was possible for him. Anything else just would be pure speculation (unfortunally I just have small parts of his steeple on tape).[/quote]
Actually, on this occasion I wasn't so much trying to knock Aouita but praise the talent of Jakob.
Well the article got it wrong if he ran the steeplechase in 79 and not 75.
I would say though that when Aouita's steeplechase is mentioned it is often put in the context of a claim of this type - 'Aouita even ran an ultra-fast steeplechase on his debut in 1987, narrowly losing only to the Olympic bronze medalist'.
The truth is that Aouita was already an experienced steeplechase runner, even if as a long way back as a junior, he lost to Lambruschini by over 2 seconds, and Lambruschini was a long way from the elite steeplechaser he was when he won his bronze medal - NINE YEARS LATER.