Craig Engels to NOP... BTC, OTC go home DEVASTATED

Nike Mullet Project wrote:

Would imagine he's going to be coached by Pete Julian, who's doing a great job with Eric Jenkins!

Have been really impressed with Jenkins' improvements since being coached directly by Julisn the last 8-10 months, can see Engels being a beast by next summer given he's joining at an already very high level of fitness and ability.

Looks like the text of someone who is trying to rationalize the dirtyness of the NOP by separating out a "clean" Pete Julian vs a "dirty" coach Alberto Salazar. If Engels was willing to join the NOP after reading Dathan's testimony than he must not have a backbone or interest in having a clean image. Lost some respect for the kid for joining this group.

Going by this logic, Robby Andrews must be the dopiest of the dopers in the history of dope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmIgGRX39Co

Jeff Albertson wrote:

Les wrote:

And then you have dopers like Kim Gallagher and Flojo who died in the prime of their lives at 38.

Both of them also died over 15 years ago, with there drug taking days more than 10 years prior to that.

So 10 years = "long healthy lives"? To me dying at 38 = short and unhealthy, but that's just me.

scorpion_runner wrote:

Grenadine33 wrote:

Lost all respect for him. If you choose to be coached by someone who has knowingly had other athletes that dope(d) (Mary Slaney) you are dirty.

Hope he's ready for some day-long l-carnitine drips!

Mary failed one test, and her follow up tests were clean. The reason for the fluctuation of T-E levels could have been due to menstruation, or the consumption of certain LEGAL liquids. Again, her follow up tests, and testing later on , were clean

Also, that happened when she was 37, after 19 operations and being out of her prime!

Before that, she never tested positive, and she didn't get with Alberto until after her prime.

OH JUST SHUT THE F&**K UP.

Asked if she felt there is a problem with PEDs in track and field, Mary asked, “What are PEDs?”

When the subject of masking agents was brought up, Mary asked, “What are those?”

“We don’t know anything about anything anymore,” Richard Slaney said.

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/263737-134485-slaneys-still-angry-about-doping-allegations?tmpl=component&print=1

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/33096367

In 1996, at the age of 37, as she qualified for the 5000 meters at the Atlanta Olympics, Decker became involved in controversy. A urine test taken in June at the Olympic Trials showed a testosterone to epitestosterone (T/E) ratio greater than the allowable maximum of six to one.[14] At the time of the positive test Decker was being coached by Alberto Salazar.[15]

Decker and her lawyers contended that the T/E ratio test is unreliable for women, especially women in their late 30s or older who are taking birth control pills. In the meantime, Decker was eliminated in the heats at the Olympics.[5]

In June 1997, the IAAF banned Decker from competition. In September 1999, a USATF panel reinstated her.[16][17] The IAAF cleared her to compete but took the case to arbitration. In April 1999, the arbitration panel ruled against her, after which the IAAF – through a retroactive ban, even though she was cleared to compete – stripped her of a silver medal she had won in the 1500 meters at the 1997 World Indoor Championships.[18][19]

In April 1999, Decker filed suit against both the IAAF and the U.S. Olympic Committee which administered the test, arguing that the test is flawed and cannot distinguish between androgens caused by the use of banned substances and androgens resulting from the use of birth control pills.[20] The court ruled that it had no jurisdiction, a decision that was upheld on appeal.[21]

The (T/E) ratio test has seen its standards tightened to a 4:1 ratio, instead of the previous 6:1 ratio, and laboratories now also run a carbon isotope ratio test (CIR) if the ratio is unusually high.[22]

Mary Decker Slaney does not know anything about anything.

HE HAD A CHOICE !!!!

He chose to wear black !

he chose the side of a known villainous commodity

everyone knows what has been done by salidbar (although we do not know every detail)

enough is known !

and if you don't think that was on his mind your nuts

i want to win everything i do !!! i think about cheating all the time from checkers to my big races

im human

its natural

what you do from there is what matters

and choosing the win even if it it breaks the rules , win even if it puts my health at risk , win because i see how we can lie and say we didn't cheat , win because im more important than you are center of the universe is bad for the sport !!!

craig

you're loosing your fans !!!

PrZ wrote:

I was kind of surprised to see this, mainly because of the fact that NOP doesn't really have any 800m runners and Engels has had arguably about the same amount of success in the 800 as he has in the 15.

Well, Engels has run his last 800 PR.

Salazar can't coach the 800.

How many fans does CE even have? A handful (two at most) of young, emaciated pre-cucks who are obsessed with men?

The amount of pressure and backlash you guys are putting on a 22-23 year old kid coming out of college to pursue his dream is absolutely horrific.

Craig seems like a good, fun kid who loves to run. He has an opportunity coming out of college to pursue his dream. None of us have the specifics of contracts, offers, wages, coaches and terms that he was offered so none of us have the authority to jump to conclusions.

The kid has not even run his first professional race yet and already he is getting put down on the boards here. At the end of the day, very few elite runners get the opportunity to financially support themselves, and getting an offer from NOP has been shown to be the most lucrative of deals you can find in the sport for distance guys. If Craig has a moral compass and sees shady things going on, he can decide to leave. But he has the right to try to make a livelihood for the short amount of time that he can.

Regardless of how much you may hate certain groups or coaches, I really hope we can support our young, developmental athletes rather than tear down and judge them before they have even run a race.

Exactly.^

Now, now. No need to be reasonable here.

Pretty sure Centro ran 1:45 a couple years back. Also you have Mo's 1:48 to close the 5k at worlds in 2015 which points to 1:45 or lower capabilities for a guy who has run 2:08.

Drugs or no drugs, these guys can run the 800 despite training for 1500 to marathon.

Engels will do fine with Centro and Jenkins

dogfarts69420 wrote:

Pretty sure Centro ran 1:45 a couple years back.

1:44.6

Rumor has it Mary got with about every guy.

hfjgkhjlk wrote:

If Craig has a moral compass and sees shady things going on, he can decide to leave.

Your opinion, ok. My opinion:

If Craig had a moral compass, he would not have joined such a shady group.

bmg wrote:

Your opinion, ok. My opinion:

If Craig had a moral compass, he would not have joined such a shady group.

What right do you have to judge another man's decisions that don't have an effect on you in any way??? You have no idea who this kid is or what he stands for

Well said thank you!

The truth is its only a handful of old bitter angry men and a group of young loud mouths that spew the garbage here on the site. They all love to spin their uneducated tales of false perception because it makes them feel important or in the know. They really know nothing at all and have zero involvement in the sport at the elite levels to be able to give an opinion.

Engels has a great future ahead of him and I feel will do great things under the program he has chosen.

As you say all of these athletes have a moral compass and the ability to see right and wrong.

The truth is not a single athlete in the NOP program has tested negative for anything. Not a single athlete/coach/investigator has come forward with hard prosecutable evidence to indicate anybody was taking a POD's.

Let's take a look at what you said in your post:

"The truth is not a single athlete in the NOP program has tested NEGATIVE for anything."

...taking a POD's

Whoops.

No worries.

Grenadine33 wrote:

Lost all respect for him. If you choose to be coached by someone who has knowingly had other athletes that dope(d) (Mary Slaney) you are dirty.

Hope he's ready for some day-long l-carnitine drips!

If he were a POC, if Rupp weren't white, etc., cucks like you wouldn't say anything. You're not even smart enough to ask yourself why you reflexively have to virtue signal and attack in such a way, even when you know the stories are about as real as the "Russians" winning the election for the Orange Skinned Man. LOL Go ahead and seek kudos from your fellow femmy voiced cucks with their civil war beards. LOL

Engels will be fine. He'll be clean. And he'll improve a lot. Meanwhile you cucks will continue to orally satisfy Aden and others like him and his athletes. Because they're OK!