Renato Canova - Can you provide any insights to Kwemoi's training?

This is a thread explaining Kenya's decline in 5000m.

The training has shifted to this half marathon work, with always the insistence that more sharpening is possible.

Renato, hi. Your post earlier has made my week, I have been laughing all day since I read it. You're a legend!

As an author of several books and an English teacher, I have to add that grammar is not too important in the publishing world if the content is solid. Editors work wonders.

Of course there is always somebody speaking of doping, when an athlete is able to do something that, for people not having any historical knowledge, is better than the normal level.

What Ronald did is, of course, a very good race, and his final furlong was something difficult to see. But his final time gave him the position 22 in the all-time list, so it's stupid to think is something incredible.

People speaks of doping because never had the opportunity to meet, and to know, some athlete of extra-class. You can see the talent of these athletes already when are very young and with little training : they have a great biomechanical action, which doesn't need any adjustment, they are mentally strong and able to train very hard, they have a high basic speed.

When we speak of marathon, we see some opinion that is totally ridiculous : for example, 2:10 is the human limit without doping, that means that there are 875 athletes doped (the number of runners under 2:10 in the all-time lists).

But, of course, English and American didn't use any doping, also when able running under 2:10. How fast could run Steve Jones, who in 1985 won Chicago in 2:07:13 after going at HM in 61:43 completely alone ? You don't think he could run, in a competition of 2017, around 2:05, inside a group of runners going at HM at the same speed ? So, do you think also Steve was doped, or you know his doping was 3 liters of beer every day ?

I'm tired of people who see doping everywhere. I know what I do, and I know what many other coaches do, and I know a lot of best runners in the world who are completely clean. Maybe somebody uses doping, sometimes we can have some suspicion about some athlete, but these suspicions can't cancel the fact that WE KNOW WHO ARE THE TOP ATHLETES CLEAN.

And, please, don't ask some stupidity such as "which proof you have that they are clean". This is like asking somebody that you don't know, and that you casually meet on the road, "give me a proof you are honest".

I think in a normal world we have to believe everybody is honest, and if we have some doubt is our task to find proves he is not. Of course, we know many are not honest, but this doesn't authorize to think everybody is not honest (excluded, of course, who has this thought).

The only fault of Ronald is to have a top talent, something among my athletes only Shaheen had similar. He doesn't use anything, and I hope can raise the bar of "clean performances" in some year time.

Are you using the Italian Connection? If you are from Scandanavia, how did you get the Connection?

Thank you Renato!

dsrunner wrote:

This is a thread explaining Kenya's decline in 5000m.

The training has shifted to this half marathon work, with always the insistence that more sharpening is possible.

This guy just ran 7:28 and beat a solid field in Doha. Seems like it's working.

It all started 2 years ago at Facebook when i wright I was looking for a norwegian runner to develop.....I got a marathonrunner with a PR 2.40 to coach.....and in just 2,5 months with my EXACT paces system he broke his PR with 12,5 min !!! ... from 2.40 down to 2.27.30......After that more and more kenyans read this and I started to coach them.....The connections I have with my runners is so far only by message at Facebook.......I am what they say " a computer coach" .......and it seems to function very well. :)

dsrunner wrote:

This is a thread explaining Kenya's decline in 5000m.

The training has shifted to this half marathon work, with always the insistence that more sharpening is possible.

There is a great article by Andy Arnold (LRC man on the ground in Kenya) which has some good comments from Renato.

Renato has already stated that Ronald Kwemoi will win the Gold Medal in the 5000m at the 2020 Olympics.

The total number of Kenyans born, living and doing high-volume high-intensity training at high altitude who made the 5000m final at the 2016 Rio Olympics was:

ZERO.

There is an explanation for this unfortunate Kenyan Olympic 5000m experience at the 2016 Olympics in the article.

There are some other explanations in the article.

Andy Arnold:

"I’d also like to talk about Asbel Kiprop and the Olympic 1500-meter final. Once again, he entered the Olympics as the most dominant 1500 meter runner in the world, only to fail to achieve a medal. People have speculated as to why this happened. Some of the rumors out there have claimed that he was nursing an injury. Others have focused on the arrest of [his agent Federico] Rosa as a cause for distraction, and at least part of the reason why Asbel struggled in Rio. Do you believe there is any truth to these rumors?"

Renato Canova:

"No. He did not have any injury leading up to the 1500 meters. As for the Rosa trial, it was complete stupidity on the part of the police. They did not investigate anything and they did not have any evidence. We know that they are completely clean, both Gabriel [Rosa, Federico’s father and founder of Rosa’s agency] and Claudio Berardelli. This trial was caused by a desire for revenge by somebody that asked Rosa to give him money, and Rosa refused. And with this one situation, all the other situations became bigger and bigger. You see, there was this new law regarding performance-enhancing drug use and its enforcement, and the Kenyan police wanted to show that they wanted to do something and wield this law. Also, the Kenyan federation was not informed about anything from the police. So obviously, they were not very happy about the Rosa situation."

(This was after the Rita Jiptoo EPO situation and before the Jemima Sumgong EPO situation.)

Rita and Jemima were in the same training group with Claudio Berardelli in the past and they were both managed by Federico Rosa.

There will also be a new explanation for the new Jemima Sumgong EPO situation.

Thank you for continuing to post here in spite of the idiot comments attacking you and others.

oxygen debt? wrote:

Renato, hi. Your post earlier has made my week, I have been laughing all day since I read it. You're a legend!

The English was too good.

How it works wrote:

Enough already!!!! wrote:

Just tell us how to dope!!!!!!!!

Anabolic Steroids + EPO. If you have a four days heads up into testing, you can stop the EPO injections and steroids. EPO will not show up, but you have to do something to lower T levels. If your athlete is doing heavy mileage, that should help, as T levels will still be normal. People

Get caught with high T levels. They are most likely over doing it over doing it themselves on top of the doctor's injections. Kenyans are very competitive so they are known to go to doctor for injections and then also do it themselves.

You were always able to get 4 days heads up before so you could stop injecting?

How it works wrote:

Anabolic Steroids + EPO. If you have a four days heads up into testing, you can stop the EPO injections and steroids. EPO will not show up, but you have to do something to lower T levels. If your athlete is doing heavy mileage, that should help, as T levels will still be normal. People

Get caught with high T levels. They are most likely over doing it over doing it themselves on top of the doctor's injections. Kenyans are very competitive so they are known to go to doctor for injections and then also do it themselves.

That's only if they're part of the ABP, which implemented the steriodal module in 2014. From what I understand, I don't believe Kenya is fully participating in the passport ADAMS program. If an athlete is not part of the ABP, fluctuations in hematological & steriodal values wouldn't be an issue.

And it sounds like things aren't all & well good in Kenya with unscrupulous doping doping doctors (hard to believe a doping doctor would be characterized as "unscrupulous" Lol).

Jeff Wigand wrote:

How it works wrote:

Anabolic Steroids + EPO. If you have a four days heads up into testing, you can stop the EPO injections and steroids. EPO will not show up, but you have to do something to lower T levels. If your athlete is doing heavy mileage, that should help, as T levels will still be normal. People

Get caught with high T levels. They are most likely over doing it over doing it themselves on top of the doctor's injections. Kenyans are very competitive so they are known to go to doctor for injections and then also do it themselves.

You were always able to get 4 days heads up before so you could stop injecting?

Mr. Canova--thank you for sharing what you have.

What is Kwemoi's ability like at 400 and 800?

Capable of under 1:43?

Four years is a long way away and it's especially long for one of Renato's athletes. A look through the history tells us he's certainly been effective in bringing athletes to great performances (eg Christopher Koskei, Nicholas Kemboi, Moses Mosop and of course Shaheen) but that generally Kenyans under Renato have been poor at maintaining high levels through years. It seems the intensity breaks them down mentally and/or physically. Renato's athletes train with greater intensity more often than others. And they don't seem to respond well over time.

Shaheen was young when ran 7:58 in 2001; when he ran 12:48 to beat Hicham in 2003 he was considered on the cusp of an incredible career. Yes he ran steeple WR 7:53 but this was considered the bare minimum of what he could and would achieve.

It would be not be a surprise to see a great year from Kwemoi......but another great three years to Tokyo would seem a stretch......

Jeff Wigand wrote:

How it works wrote:

Anabolic Steroids + EPO. If you have a four days heads up into testing, you can stop the EPO injections and steroids. EPO will not show up, but you have to do something to lower T levels. If your athlete is doing heavy mileage, that should help, as T levels will still be normal. People

Get caught with high T levels. They are most likely over doing it over doing it themselves on top of the doctor's injections. Kenyans are very competitive so they are known to go to doctor for injections and then also do it themselves.

You were always able to get 4 days heads up before so you could stop injecting?

The LaShawn Merritt excuse might help with lowering T-levels 😂

And this is why there are so few great coaches who give out their training philosophies online completely for free.

So one example of a wr holder that was dominant for multiple years shows how a ccoach's athletes do not have longevity?