sbeefyk1 wrote:
Star wrote:To keep you talking about it.
Yup. Nike marketers are smarter than the above average Letsrun poster.
You're right, and it won't particularly worry Nike when this revolutionary shoe goes the same way as this revolutionary shoe:
http://imgur.com/a/AxplHrojo wrote:
Research wrote:My guess is they will need pacers for the entire run, and that will end up being the "illegal" part.
Thanks. Why don't they just tell us that? I guess the like the drama/free pub of us thinking about it for months on end.
You're the only one causing drama.
rojo wrote:
Thanks. Why don't they just tell us that? I guess the like the drama/free pub of us thinking about it for months on end.
You answered your own question rojo and for once you were right.
The most interesting thing I'm getting out these articles is how did Bret Schoolmeester become senior director of global running footwear at Nike? Can I get that job? I'm also a formerly decent runner with a random degree.
I'm the only one questioning the use of a car with a massive rectangular wind buffer above it. I know they are not that close to it but I would love to see some do the fluid mechanics modelling on this.
Looks like Nike is planning on broadcasting the event themselves:
he looked relaxed wrote:
At the end of the article Kipchoge says he only gave 60% effort today. Shows again that Nike's biggest asset here is the man himself.
Wow! So if he ran 59:17 at 60% effort then that means.
59:17 / 1.6 = 37:03!!! This guy is in good shape!
ALH359 wrote:
$250?! for a racing flat? This is too funny.
Yeah, you'd think the shoes could come in sub 2 (hundred bucks that is)
tgirl wrote:
ALH359 wrote:$250?! for a racing flat? This is too funny.
Yeah, you'd think the shoes could come in sub 2 (hundred bucks that is)
They should've made it $159.59
jewbacca wrote:
jewbacca wrote:The audacity of it all!
Actually, Avocado's, normally we're in agreement but not in this case. Assuming legal shoes and legal course, so long as they don't tie Kipchoge to a pace car, I would LOVE to see him break 2:00:00.
So long as he does it under his own power, it will be exciting. They can swap out as many pacers as they like, throw all the advertisement at their shoes that they want, and if he breaks the barrier it will be amazing.
To me it won't take away from someone accomplishing it under standard conditions.
We apparently disagree greatly on this. I don't see why you draw a distinction between, on the one hand, performances using impermissible shoes or courses and, on the other hand, performances using impermissble means for reducing air resistance. The distinction is certainly not based upon whether the runner is performing "under his own power."
To me, sub-2 performances using various drafting methods (such as human "pacemakers" and motorized wind shields), shoes with springs, tailwinds, giant fans following the runners, downhill courses, synthetic EPO, and many other known aids aren't any more "amazing" than slower performances by equally fit athletes who are running all-out under legitimate race conditions. The faster performances simply provide some indication of how much faster someone can run a particular distance when the rules are changed. Unfortunately, the history of this kind of thing is pretty clear: Most people don't distinguish between performances under different rules. In fact, I've often heard the same rationale that, as long as the athlete "does it under his own power," it should count as a record.
When Roger Bannister broke the 4-minute barrier using pacemakers, John Landy recognized immediately that, even if Bannister had violated rules against pacemaking, the bell could not be unrung, and Landy's subsequent mile record forty-six days later -- in a time faster than Bannister's, and in a "proper race" without pacemakers -- would not be seen as the first sub-4 mile. Landy was right. In the popular mind, Bannister would always be the first sub-4 miler. Outside of Australia and a small collection of hardcore track fans, Landy became little more than a footnote (and the guy who lost to Bannister in the Commonwealth Games later that year).
NikeMath wrote:
he looked relaxed wrote:At the end of the article Kipchoge says he only gave 60% effort today. Shows again that Nike's biggest asset here is the man himself.
Wow! So if he ran 59:17 at 60% effort then that means.
59:17 / 1.6 = 37:03!!! This guy is in good shape!
Yes, draw a straight line. #letsrunmath
Anon testing place. wrote:
Im a wear tester for nike and I have tested the "new" foam in the commercial version. It is bouncy.
If only I had smaller feet, I could test shoe's for Nike. I know one of the shoe developers and they asked me in the past if I wanted to demo/test shoe's, but being a size 14 that is not a normal sample or demo size so I get nothing (or almost nothing) :(
I did manage to get one sample shoe that for whatever reason was made in size 13. I really liked it, but it was just too tight on my feet. It never went into production, but I still have the pair.
if this shoe can improve energy return by
4% !!!
(did kennster have similar such shoe in berlin ??? )
the "time" improvements can be "easily" estimated for shoes with current "0" shoes :
it is cubic root of 1.04 or 1.04^(1/3) = 1.0198 ->
Time / 1.0198
for various guys with "ole" shoe, the new shoe offers :
10.00 -> 9.80
20.00 -> 19.61
44.00 -> 43.14
1'43.00 -> 1'41.00
3'30.00 -> 3'25.92
7'30.00 -> 7'21.26
13'00.00 -> 12'44.85
27'00.00 -> 26'28.54
2"05'00.00 -> 2"02'34.38
...
inthepdx wrote:
Anon testing place. wrote:Im a wear tester for nike and I have tested the "new" foam in the commercial version. It is bouncy.
If only I had smaller feet, I could test shoe's for Nike. I know one of the shoe developers and they asked me in the past if I wanted to demo/test shoe's, but being a size 14 that is not a normal sample or demo size so I get nothing (or almost nothing) :(
I did manage to get one sample shoe that for whatever reason was made in size 13. I really liked it, but it was just too tight on my feet. It never went into production, but I still have the pair.
Test shoe's what for Nike?
Wow, did you guys see how much blood they took out of him when Kipchoge finished! Must've been 1L... I guess they are trying to dial his recovery and performance. Well, now that we've finished up at the track, I will try and find out the next test.
reed wrote:
tgirl wrote:Yeah, you'd think the shoes could come in sub 2 (hundred bucks that is)
They should've made it $159.59
Just like other Nike, the shoes they sell to the public will be completely different from what the pros use.
lkgkj wrote:
Wow, did you guys see how much blood they took out of him when Kipchoge finished! Must've been 1L... I guess they are trying to dial his recovery and performance. Well, now that we've finished up at the track, I will try and find out the next test.
Link ?
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that the ghost of Ayrton Senna will spook these runners to run faster or go insanely mad.
I agree it will affect his marathon performance and probably allow Bekele to dominate for this year, however, he will be making serious money and considering he has already proved himself. Furthermore, if he does break it, it'll be very worth it.
reed wrote:
tgirl wrote:Yeah, you'd think the shoes could come in sub 2 (hundred bucks that is)
They should've made it $159.59
big missed opportunity