L'Equipe Publishes list of drugs/vitamins Rowbury & Rupp were on before Rio - French doctor responds, "It's quite astounding as

Les wrote:

What RX are you talking about wrote:

Rowbury is not taking prescription drugs. Get your facts straight.

From the Aczone website:

ACZONE® (dapsone) Gel, 7.5% is a prescription medicine used on the skin (topical) to treat acne in people 12 years and older.

Sorry, I didn't realize you needed help connecting dots. Your post referrs to prescription drugs to possibly enhance performance.

Aczone does not fall in that category

I never said she was taking prescription drugs to enhance performance but yet she is another world class distance runner with asthma.

– 1 tablet of Montelukast®

treatment of respiratory problems, type of exercise asthma

Maybe she does have it, but my point was it is amazing how many world class distance runners all claim to have asthma issues and need medicine, which depending on type of medicine, there can be performance enhancing side effects.

Clearly her acne medication does not fall into a performance enhancer. Not saying she or Rupp are cheating as I have no proof. Just saying I find it suspicious so many distance runners have asthma and thyroid issues. Maybe some are legitimate, but most likely not and are using the conditions as a screen to take drugs that may (or may not) enhance their performance.

Agree with this mostly but will also say that part of competing against others doesn't usually involve releasing all your methods and secrets.

Does anyone expect them to release details of key training sessions? Their exercise regime for injury prevention? Their altitude training plans?

Skeptic One wrote:

Most of us question them because it seems ridiculous that so many world class distance runners all seem to have asthma and thyroid issues, especially since the drugs used to treat these conditions can have performance enhancing effects. Common sense would make it seem logical that the strongest, healthiest and fittest are the best runners. Not people on a ton of medication for a variety of ailments. Getting a drug you don't need prescribed to you to possibly enhance your performance is cheating. You are just getting around the rules by having an unethical doctor give you the prescription. I can't say Rupp and Rowbury are doing this but it is suspicious.

One can't get thyroid meds without an MD prescription, and an MD can get their license revoked if they prescribe inappropriately. And heavy training can pooch your thyroid, as evidenced by the TSH going through the roof. It also depresses your immune system, destroys your connective tissue, ruins your sex life and can precipitate fatal and non fatal arrhythmia. Just because one is a world class distance runner doesn't always make one "healthy" in the strict sense of the word. The price to pay both short and long term to ones health can be huge.

mkng1 wrote:

Right? I was actually expecting something material. It just seems like they did everything legal that they thought would give them a benefit. This whole thing seems like much ado about nothing. No allegations of testosterone, HGH, EPO, something no one has heard of, etc.? This is pretty boring.

Indeed.

Nothing to see here kids. Mostly stuff we already knew. The only thing I was surprised to see is that Rowbury needed an Ambien (zolpidem) to sleep. I guess elite athletes are people too and occasionally struggle to fall asleep/stay asleep.

I think all of these supplements, rx drugs, etc. goes back to Alberto's philosophy of obtaining every edge possible in training and recovery.

One could argue the ethics of all this but there is zero doping violations based on the list alone.

found wrote:

According to the article, Rupp has declared:

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- 3 tablets of ZMA

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I misread this as Rupp having had 3 Zimas and I had a flashback to the 90s

texas4ever wrote:

Nothing to see here kids. Mostly stuff we already knew. The only thing I was surprised to see is that Rowbury needed an Ambien (zolpidem) to sleep. I guess elite athletes are people too and occasionally struggle to fall asleep/stay asleep.

I think all of these supplements, rx drugs, etc. goes back to Alberto's philosophy of obtaining every edge possible in training and recovery.

One could argue the ethics of all this but there is zero doping violations based on the list alone.

Indeed.............back in the 'day" I took every legal supplement I thought might provide an edge, evidence to that effect or not.. So did everyone else.

No one needing both advair and combivent will ever be a world class athlete, but always a patient on the brink of an emergency department visit.

Typical LetsRun reporting. Put up a sensational headline/QOD then require you to read the article to figure out that this is nothing. I get that's how you generate clicks, but they love to throw things out there and then somewhere kind of acknowledge that these are all pretty common, while still writing it in a way that appeals to the haters and makes it seem like NOP is doing something dirty based on these lists. Wejo and Rojo want to have their cake and eat it too based on how they report on NOP. You have a list here that includes basic allergy medicine, vitamins, tiger balm, and a cup of freaking tea. Come on.

canspo wrote:

Typical LetsRun reporting. Put up a sensational headline/QOD then require you to read the article to figure out that this is nothing. I get that's how you generate clicks, but they love to throw things out there and then somewhere kind of acknowledge that these are all pretty common, while still writing it in a way that appeals to the haters and makes it seem like NOP is doing something dirty based on these lists. Wejo and Rojo want to have their cake and eat it too based on how they report on NOP. You have a list here that includes basic allergy medicine, vitamins, tiger balm, and a cup of freaking tea. Come on.

Bingo.

YOGI tea by Shannon Rowbury (Irish) = CLEAN AMERICAN RECORD HOLDER IN 1500M AND 5000M

I love how a "non story" seems to need defending. Good job Salazar slobber knockers for keeping the story alive. Keep it up top. Love it.

Naysayer wrote:

I'll say this, the NOP athletes are thorough. They seem to report EVERYTHING.

That's just to hide the stuff they DON'T report, because it's illegal. With so many possible masking agents on tap, the detectability is low.

proof Steve? or Vern?

all talk and twitter fingers, no damning evidence of doping from these 2 and the like. sad men.

Hooray for usada wrote:

Another break in USADAs firewall. Go ahead and panic athletes, we'll know what's inside every one of your medicine cabinets soon. Doping or no doping, thanks to USADA being completely inept, we get to invade your privacy one by one.

Anyone have any leaks links on the triathletes at rio?? ;;))

messi wrote:

Sacred Heart Prep wrote:

Shannon just practices with the NOP team. She doesn't use their coaches, nor any Nike coach. Pablo her husband and Andy her high school coach is all she uses.

NOP is all about THE MEDICAL, not about the coaching. How can YOU compete with their operating budget.

What a stupid contention.

First, the medical is trivial. Mostly nutritional supplements... And there are millions of sub elite athletes and weekend warriors/hobby joggers who take more smoothies with powder, and fitness bars with supplements many more times per week.

This leak is "weak" stuff. Surprisingly so. It looks like they take things on a spot basis, a few times a week, maybe after hard workouts-- which is smart, taking iron every day or whatever...some docs consider inefficient....body pees out the undeeded. Better to take after hard workouts / long runs on a by feel basis.

Best to get these things in natural food/diet.

All good wrote:

Well, those are just the supplements these two declared. Of course they only declare the innocent stuff.

If memory served it's been published many times that they submit everything they take to USADA for approval before taking it.

Why? Because they want to be sure they are following the USADA/WADA rules 100%.

It seems they've had more training sessions - running - lifting etc., filmed by Flotrack and written about by independent writers than any other training group in the past 12 years etc...

They've shared a ton of info about crayosauna treatment and anti-gravity treadmills etc., that other groups / org's eventually use. So, they been pretty open.

i love how he says, "one wonders if they are not sick."

you are on the verge all the time as an elite elite runner. breakdown is always there. sore throat, tight achilles, blisters, muscle tightness, 140 mpw, etc....

i mean, i am a 1:12 half marathoner and i feel this way. doing mile repeats at 4:0x pace and these freaky workouts that seem almost impossible to someone like me, those supplements are like something you'd give to a person on chemo. I need 10 hours of sleep and a 2 hour nap and 10 hours of sleep after a 6-mile tempo run...cannot imagine the stuff ruppy is doing

they need that sh*t to stay sharp and keep pushing the limit line every day.

it is really incredible, so, if a guy who ran 13:37 as a teenager, needs an inhaler and some ZMA to recover better while sleeping, sweet. Go for it!

relax everyone

montelukast is a prescription asthma medication.