kid has obviously been running for a bunch of years. He won that race in the video posted in 2:05 as a 11/12 year old. How many years has he been running? Obviously he is ridiculously talented but it's not like he just started running in middle school, he's already got more years of running on him than most graduating high school runners. Could be a world elite, or he could improve a few more seconds and then that's it. hard to tell.
Fasterinthefuture wrote:
Apparently he has a brother in college. He's an excellent 800m runner
Is his brother Brad?
Karma Police wrote:
What exactly is "a quality collegiate experience"?
Getting overtrained because of the demand for multiple events at meets and breaking down? Partying? Or furthering your education?
If this kid is running 1.46 or faster at 16, then the only thing College can offer him is the education part. He'd be better off turning pro and going to College just for the courses, and for a job when he's finished running.
No, it isn't any of the above. The collegiate experience I'm talking about is the NCAA championships and just the overall team aspect of running. Anyone can go to college and take classes, but very few get the opportunity to experience collegiate competition at the highest levels. If you noticed Donavan Brazier wasn't able to make it past the prelims at the U.S. Trials, while older runners like Shaquille Walker made it to the semis with relative ease. Even Alan Webb never learned to truly race after going pro early.
What I'm trying to say is, I don't think a $200,000 4-year contract is worth more than the benefits of running in college. An athlete can face competition much closer to their level, essentially get paid the same and more in the future, and end up forming bonds with teammates and competition that are irreplaceable. All that vs chasing your pay check sounds like a great deal to me.
With that I do agree with you, college may not be for him but I don't think that means going pro is the next best option. Athletes like Sydney McLaughlin, and previously Trayvon Bromell and Andre De Grasse are the only ones I would've suggested go pro. These three have always been in a league of their own when they compete, completely dominating amateur athletics. Even if he were to run 1:44, I would still suggest Brandon still try college running for at least one year.
Brandon Miller has set the national 800 and 1500 record since he was 10. Thing is, he has never run XC or indoor. Extremely low mileage when he does run outdoor. Plays basketball in the winter and football in the fall. The talk coming out of St Louis a couple years ago was that track isn't even his best sport.
My kids have followed and enjoyed his development over the years. His progress actually inspires them even though they know that there is no amount of training that they can do that will allow them to run anything close to Miller's times.
Event 78 Boys 1500 Meter Run 10 years old
National 4:49.53 7/31/2012 Brandon Miller - O Fallon, MO
Event 79 Girls 1500 Meter Run 11 years old
National 4:45.65 8/3/2010 Daesha Rogers - Miami, FL
Event 80 Boys 1500 Meter Run 11 years old
National 4:37.24 7/30/2013 Brandon Miller - O Fallon, MO
Event 81 Girls 1500 Meter Run 12 years old
National 4:41.14 8/3/2010 Danae Rivers - Derby, CT
Event 82 Boys 1500 Meter Run 12 years old
National 4:22.84 7/29/2014 Brandon Miller - O Fallon, MO
Event 83 Girls 1500 Meter Run 13 years old
National 4:36.79 8/2/2012 Daesha Rogers - Miami, FL
Event 84 Boys 1500 Meter Run 13 years old
National 4:13.45 8/4/2015 Brandon Miller - O Fallon, MO
Event 85 Girls 1500 Meter Run 14 years old
National 4:34.1h 1986 Melissa Benner - Norristown, PA
Event 86 Boys 1500 Meter Run 14 years old
National 4:02.09 8/2/2016 Brandon MIller - O Fallon, MO\
Event 60 Boys 800 Meter Run 10 years old
National 2:18.52 8/1/2012 Brandon Miller - O Fallon, MO
Event 61 Girls 800 Meter Run 11 years old
National 2:19.27 2000 Quantikia Stepney - Baltimore, MD
Event 62 Boys 800 Meter Run 11 years old
National 2:11.98 7/31/2013 Brandon Miller - O Fallon, MO
Event 63 Girls 800 Meter Run 12 years old
National 2:13.30 8/3/2011 Daesha Rogers - Miami, FL
Event 64 Boys 800 Meter Run 12 years old
National 2:03.09 7/30/2014 Brandon Miller - O Fallon, MO
Event 65 Girls 800 Meter Run 13 years old
National 2:07.65 8/1/2012 Daesha Rogers - Miami Gardens, FL
Event 66 Boys 800 Meter Run 13 years old
National 1:56.41 8/5/2015 Brandon Miller - O Fallon, MO
Event 67 Girls 800 Meter Run 14 years old
National 2:08.15 7/31/2013 Daesha Rogers - Miami, FL
Event 68 Boys 800 Meter Run 14 years old
National 1:51.23 8/3/2016 Brandon Miller - O Fallon, MO
Event 69 Girls 800 Meter Run 15-16 years old
National 2:07.08 8/5/2009 Ajee Wilson - Neptune, NJ
http://image2.aausports.org/sports/athletics/results/2016/jogames/2015jogamesrecords.pdf
I personally think he has a lot more in him, his times are amazing but I think they make sense, firstly he has been running since he was three which is a long time and with that early if a start he is bound to be ahead of other kids. Second he has a ton of natural talent and raw speed I bet he could smoke kids at the 100/200, as well as his speed he also has great endurance. Third he plays other sports and only does outdoor, he obviously stays in shape but is not training for track year round and he always peeks at the right time, I know he does weight training once a week and with football and basketball it doesn't seem unusal that he is a little more muscular. I am sure he puts in some mileage but I know for sure he must do intense speed training most likely on the lines of what the 100-200 guys do. It is the only logical explanation for how he can run so fast. He might not improve as drastically as he usually does but if he keeps it up he should improve steadily
Well he's got the talent only time will tell
Am I missing something, or are people putting this kid forward as an 800/mile runner a bit off the mark?
What is his mile PB? Is it 4:25? That is much, much, much worse than a 1:51 800m. The only reason he can beat these kids in the mile is because he is so much better and more developed than other kids his age at running period. I'm sure he would clean up the 200/400 also. That doesn't mean he has a future as 400m runner.
When he is competing as a 17/18 year old there will be more aerobically inclined kids running low and sub 4.
1:51 to 4:25 is a terrible conversion.
Yo Dude wrote:
Completely agreed. But I find it hard to believe it's just 2-4 miles per week. A normal sprint sessions for 100/200 runners at this age amounts to 200m total (5x40 etc). And he did a 4:30 mile so he obviously has done some aerobic work. Kuddos and congrats to the kid but 4 miles is something I can't believe.
You can get a lot of track fitness elsewhere. Maybe he does 2 track sessions a week (and doesn't count warmups) and plays basketball/soccer for 3 hours/day the rest of the week.
he won the AAU 1500 in 4:02 by 16 (!) seconds. Clearly he could run faster in the mile/1500
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Well he's got the talent only time will tell
Matthew Puleio is the real talent to watch.
At 14, Hamza Driouch ran 1:49 and Mohammed Aman ran 1:50. Given his splits he could probably run that fast. WOW
he doesn't train for the mile. if he starts running distance runs..he could run 1:48/sub 4:10 as a freshman.
as the post said, he ran 4:02 1500 (4:20 mile) winning by 16s. so is probably more like 1:50/ 4:15 right now.
sling dog wrote:
he won the AAU 1500 in 4:02 by 16 (!) seconds. Clearly he could run faster in the mile/1500
4:02 is ok but not much better than 4:25. Still a poor effort for a 1:50 runner. Even 3:57 is bad.
However if people are actually serious about his 2 miles a week of training and he can potentially break 4:00 then he will break the 1500m WR one day.
Interesting you mentioned he won by 16 seconds so could have gone faster, I wonder why nobody on this site was able to apply that to Mo Farah's 12:59? Or maybe it isn't true and if you are determined then competition isn't fully necessary. That's another topic anyway.
I hope I'm wrong but I suspect he'll be an arthritic ex runner by the time he is 22 (his 19th year of racing). Hopefully he'll get a great education and college experience.
You are using the word split incorrectly in the title .
His brothers name is CJ Jones, runs for Texas Tech U , his brother ran a 1:49 as a sophomore and never got better , that is until his conference meet last spring where he won with a 1:48
To those describing Brandon as "massive", he is obviously very well-toned muscularly, but he is not a big guy at all, maybe 5'6 tops. As he continues to grow, I expect his times will continue to drop. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see him become the first freshman to go sub 1:50.
come on. 4:20/probably 4:15 is a bad mile conversion for a 14 year old who says he runs 4 miles per week, doing football in the fall and basketball in the winter? are you out of your mind? Don't you think he would run just a hair faster in the mile with some actual mileage?
jjjjjj wrote:
come on. 4:20/probably 4:15 is a bad mile conversion for a 14 year old who says he runs 4 miles per week, doing football in the fall and basketball in the winter? are you out of your mind? Don't you think he would run just a hair faster in the mile with some actual mileage?
Well this is what I said. If he is training for the middle distances and only managed a 4:25 mile (not 4:15 that is 10 seconds quicker) from a 1:51 800m then that does not show good natural endurance. Not every athlete needs hundreds of miles to run a half decent 1500/mile. Some are predisposed to the event, how he clearly is with the 800m.
And I also said if he really ran 4:02 in the 1500m off running actually 4 miles a week then he will break the 1500m WR one day. If you don't follow, I don't believe that.
Average 800m training will cover a lot more than 4 miles. I don't expect this kid to be on a lot of miles but if you add up his warm ups and cool downs and session volumes I'm sure it is more like 20+.
Lflkffhogdif wrote:
Stuff you like to pee out wrote:,..
That dude looks like he is in his mid 20s. There is no way to predict how his career will end up and based on the odds, his career has a better chance at being lackluster than inspiring.
What is your 800m PB?
Crickets...
The guy ran 1:51.23. That's a very good time. Something to be proud of, no matter what your age is. Who cares how he will do at age 18, 20, 22 or 25... Why minimize his 1:51.23 performance with comments like that.
Ok, I start. My PB is slower than 1:51.23.. Furthermore, my splits were perfect when I ran my 800m PB. Miller, not so much, so he could have run faster for sure. Now your turn...