Regina Jacobs the Greatest American female distance runner EVER!

Coincedence that the lestrun guys put up the quote from terry o'sullivan about drugs in the sport as the quote of the day, two days after "drugina's" record-setting run? things that make you say hmmm

The juvenile and ignorant post that are displayed here hoping to paint a guilty picture of a drug user on Regina can easily apply to other runners (including Suzy and Paula). I would like to believe since all three ladies never tested positive for drugs that they are all clean; however, if that is not enough evidence for you-than your same logic can apply to Suzy and Paula!

Don't count out pre-1983 and no championships. One name that nobody has mentioned in Doris Heritage who won five world cross country championships...ALL GOLD. If they had events longer than 800 meters prior to 1976, she would have won more medals than any female runner that is mentioned on this thread.

one word DRUGS! Well its typical that we commend our best athlete when shes a drug cheat.

I'm with you in terms of the folly of singling out one individual in regards to possible - or probable - drug use. There are so many signs pointing to drug use by many of the athletes at the top that my reaction is to dismiss that level of competition as so corrupt to be of little interest. A drugged up man or woman running fast doesn't interest me in the least. I can't get excited about cheats and liars.

The most logical and fair perspective in relation to athletes on drugs is innocent until proven guilty. I will not belittle any athlete regardless of how suspect I may be of them! The possibility of the athlete's innocence is enough to presude my not to do so and other poster need to

think before such slanderess and insulting comments. As the majority of negative post concerning Regina, those post can easily apply to other female distance runners (especially Suzy Favor). Lets try a novel idea UNTIL ONE OF THEM IS PROVEN GULITY LET THE TIRED Druggina ISSUE DIE!!

Vipam

Logical and fair? Try uninformed and hopelessly naive. Keep your head in the sand, hopefully that will help to muffle your ignorant prattle.

You're the one who's doing the most to keep the topic going, I think you've posted on this topic more than anyone else here.

Since you spell like an average 7th grader, it only makes sense that your point of view would mesh with an equal level of cognizance.

Flow Joe

The problem with ignorant people is that when they disagree with someone that attack and sprew insults, which is typical for elementary schoolkids. As adults we should be able to handle others opinions without belittling individuals with conflicting views. Flow Joe

I guess your not one of those adults and as far as my post

if you don't like them or me DON'T READ THEM!!!

Back to the subject at hand, I agree with Regina husband I think she should have run sub 4 minutes in the 1500m years ago. Also an athlete who have been consistently performing at a certain (in Regina case 4 minutes to 4:02 for years) level can pop a big one (3:55 outdoors) at anytime!

Vipam

Flow Joe I hope in the future we can have civilized dialouge without the unneccessary insults.

Flow Joe

I agree with Vipam why must you result to name calling? As

a regular reader of this site I enjoy a few poster comments and Vipam being one of them. I suggest that you take notes from him on how to handle someone's different opinion, with style and grace. Your post had nothing to do with the topic at hand.

On the subject of Regina I bet her and Suzy run well at the Worlds and that both of them run considerably faster than Mary's 1500m American Record on the European circuit.

10k runner

Something else she has in common with Jacobs.

One of the greatest female African American 1500 meter runner in US history goes virtually unknown because she was overshadowed by drug users. That's the athlete I respect and admire, not the ones - whether from Europe or the US - whose medals were achieved on the edge provided by hidden drug use. Let those who worship medals and records at any cost, by any means, without honor or honesty cheer for whom they want. Personally, I admire those athletes who train and race fairly in the true spirit of sport. All honor to them. To the others, disgrace.

Oh, the female African American 1500 meter runner in US - Darlene Beckford. She ran 4:04 in 1984 in the Olympic trials. She was in her early twenties. She didn't make the team. Subsequently she, and a lot of other people, found out that runners who beat her in the race had failed drug tests but the US federation swept it under the rug and let them represent the US anyways in the Olympic Games. Darlene left the sport at that point, devastated by the corruption found in the federation and among the athletes.

That story is truly interesting, perspective where might I find more information in relation to Ms. Beckford and the 1984 ordeal?

Vipam

It was '88, not '84, first off. Darlene graduated from Harvard in '84, kept running with Liberty AC with John Babington. That was a big women's club in the Boston area back then. Joan Benoit ran with them for a while, as did Lynn Jennings, Judi St. Hilaire, and Lesley Welch. I believe that Darlene is a police officer today. Her coach was John Babington; he works as a lawyer, but also coaches at Wellesley College.

I know that I'm not giving you what you asked for - specifics of what happened and who was involved. But I'm going to ask someone who was there and I'll get back to you on it.

What insults? You were insulted?

I guess you should be the expert on what is typical for elementary schoolkids. Your outsider's view is merely simplistic and uninformed.

What is wrong with an athlete's training program when they run their best race of their life in the first unimportant meet of the indoor season. Where will Regina be in August when the important races are run? Every year she runs these fast indoor times, then is hanging on by a thread, by summer time. She actually looked healthy (not totally emaciated) at Boston.

JET-SON!!!!Er, I mean VI-PAM!! You aren't interested in honest debate or adult dialogue in the least. In fact, you've done nothing but belittle opposing views and those who hold them, as much as you have attempted to cloak those insults. All you're doing is trolling for views that agree with or back up your beliefs. Issues regarding your struggles with the English language aside, is it logical to assume that anyone or everyone who tests negatively does not ever nor have ever used banned performance enhancing substances and is therefore "proven innocent"? Is it logical to assume that the system is without flaw? Please explain why. Also, is it fair to the truly clean athletes, and to the sport and its fans for that matter, that rival cheaters escape detection and punishment? If you are as tired as you say you are of the issue, then take your own advice and stop reading posts and threads about it, because here's a truly novel idea: no one in the sport can be banned as a direct result of aired suspicions on some internet message board. It's just a discussion and if you don't like it, then go ahead and get the hell out. Give my love to Janey and the kids.

Vipam wrote:

The most logical and fair perspective in relation to athletes on drugs is innocent until proven guilty. I will not belittle any athlete regardless of how suspect I may be of them! The possibility of the athlete's innocence is enough to presude my not to do so and other poster need to

think before such slanderess and insulting comments. As the majority of negative post concerning Regina, those post can easily apply to other female distance runners (especially Suzy Favor). Lets try a novel idea UNTIL ONE OF THEM IS PROVEN GULITY LET THE TIRED Druggina ISSUE DIE!!

Vipam

Cosgrove Spacely

You seem very bitter towards my opinions, why? The post that I place on this board is not an entry into a literature contest and may have some or many grammatical errors, as do your post! When I post I type and don't bother proofreading, because this post are about content and information primarily.

I have welcomed opposing views as long as the individual don't attack the poster-which is exactly what you are doing! The thought of people actually liking Regina Jacobs seems to offend alot of people. In the future I will keep your post in mind! Have a nice day.

Vipam

JET-SON!!!

Oh, it's you again, "Vipam".

Just what told you that I was bitter? That's just silly. Why are you going on about grammatical errors? I certainly didn't take issue with yours, although it's clear that you wouldn't know one if it struck you viciously about the head and neck. Since you insist on making a point of it: when you don't bother to proof your statements, the clarity and therefore the content suffers. It also makes you look ignorant, as if you don't have the education to discern between good and bad content and information. I really don't care, I can pretty much predict your monotonous message after reading through dozens of your posts on this topic, but you chose to bring it up.

I don't care if you like Osama bin Laden, but your groupie-esque public expressions of your adoration of Jacobs as well as your logically hollow defenses of her are, as your misplaced intuition told you, offensive. Offensive not because they involve Roidgina Jacobs, but because they lack any honest thought.

Now, addressing your final points, you are going to have to indicate where I made an attack on you, because I know that I didn't post any.

Finally, answer the questions that were posed, if you dare.

How's Elroy doing in school these days?