- You can't be a dual-citizen and be an Officer
- You can't be a dual-citizen and be an Officer
speedmaker1 wrote:
if they were white and from norway you would have had no problem
BS. But thanks for race baiting.
Trolling for dollars... wrote:
The joke is on us wrote:When done seperately, the Army's elite athlete program, and the Army's path to citizenship make sense, when done together it seems to be an abuse of what the system was set for.
I've got to agree with this. I mean, through this "Army" vehicle, we can simply "recruit" a world-class international team. Who wouldn't "join" the U.S. army if the benefits were made lucrative enough? For no cost, these guys get top-level coaching, good meals and lodging, all equipment and travel expenses paid, proper rest, free medical care, etc, etc.
Uh, since the Army is all-volunteer, every SINGLE MEMBER is "recruited." Every single member gets, for no cost, meals, lodging, equipment, travel, medical free of charge. Of course, every single member, including athletes, is subject to call up and assignment to combat zones as well. Everybody in the Army, including athletes, is aware of the possibility of being sent into combat. From your description, the Army would get hordes of volunteers, including American-born collegians. The fact that Kenyans are on the Army athletic team shows just how unappealing it is for most Americans.
Les wrote:
The fact that Kenyans are on the Army athletic team shows just how unappealing it is for most Americans.
So tell us then... What's the point of throwing money at something that is so unappealing to most Americans?
why do you feel so bad about them?if they get a medal it will be for America not kenya..
donah wrote:
why do you feel so bad about them?if they get a medal it will be for America not kenya..
Spoken like a true Qatari.
race bait addict wrote:
speedmaker1 wrote:if they were white and from norway you would have had no problem
BS. But thanks for race baiting.
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Typical ... playing the white guilt card!
Les wrote:
Trolling for dollars... wrote:I've got to agree with this. I mean, through this "Army" vehicle, we can simply "recruit" a world-class international team. Who wouldn't "join" the U.S. army if the benefits were made lucrative enough? For no cost, these guys get top-level coaching, good meals and lodging, all equipment and travel expenses paid, proper rest, free medical care, etc, etc.
Uh, since the Army is all-volunteer, every SINGLE MEMBER is "recruited." Every single member gets, for no cost, meals, lodging, equipment, travel, medical free of charge. Of course, every single member, including athletes, is subject to call up and assignment to combat zones as well. Everybody in the Army, including athletes, is aware of the possibility of being sent into combat. From your description, the Army would get hordes of volunteers, including American-born collegians. The fact that Kenyans are on the Army athletic team shows just how unappealing it is for most Americans.
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- "For no cost ..." you must not pay taxes.
- I wish I had access to the information that would prove that WCAP athletes are highly unlikely to be sent into combat in spite of the "Long War" on our hands. Look at Dan Browne ... he's been double-dipping NOP and National Guard money for years: bet he ain't wearing "Combat Anything" on his chest.
When was the last time you recruited a US born athlete to join the Army and subsequently compete for a spot on the WCAP?
When was the last time you served in combat?
How much Active Duty in the US Army or National Guard while simultaneously on NOP’s payroll?
Are you currently on Active Duty w/the Oregon National Guard? If so, what billet? Is WCAP considered your primary duty? If not, when was the last time you served in your primary billet & how did you do this while training your Soldiers in Mammoth?
Why didn’t the US Army simply assign one of its MWR representatives as the WCAP Coach in order to allow you to address your primary military duties with Oregon National Guard? In other words, spending self-generated funds versus those from the taxpayer.
- Does the American taxpayer subsidize your WCAP athletes with Temporary Duty funds to allow them to live/train in Beaverton & Mammoth so that you can remain in your residence there in Oregon? Why wasn’t Fort Carson & the USOC’s facilities good enough for your WCAP team?
What contract did you negotiate on behalf of the US Army to train at Nike HQs? How much did this cost the American taxpayer?
As an officer, why do you refer to these Soldiers on a 1st-name basis?
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7441269&page=7#ixzz4DTjtBwLe
activeit wrote:
Seriously those 10k guys aren't even American, they shouldn't even be aloud to compete. Am I the only one who feels this way?
They literally were paid to convert to American citizenship to run for the US, seriously embarrassing.
Look at it this way, if Americans were interested in track and in large numbers and some paleface guys showed 27 minute talent, officials would STILL go after Kenyans and other non-euro type foreigners. Take a look around at what's going on in the West. The media goes along and in fact so do people who run successful websites and businesses connected with the sport - they are offered nice deals to toe the line and help out with the propaganda.
soveriegn citizen wrote:
not exactly. wrote:This isn't true. I know a kid who quit college and enlisted. Very much doubt he had a green card. They promised him he would get expedited citizenship-- something like a few months. International runners are abusing the college system so they can come to America and stay in America some how (Army, marriage, by continuing to take minimal college courses).
You "very much doubt he had a green card". In other words, you don't actually know, just like you don't actually know what you're talking about.
From the USATF qualifying standards page:
7. An Athlete must be a U.S. citizen and eligible to represent the United States in international competition, as well as being a U.S. citizen on the date of Declaration for the 2016 U.S. Olympic Trials in that event - this date being 48 hours prior to the first day of competition in the event.
Forget the green card, the runners in question have to be US citizens to even compete in the Olympic Trials. Doesn't matter if they are in the army or stocking shelves at Wal Mart. They are US citizens.
Read the citizenship oath sometime and see what it contains.
Welcome to the USA guys, make us proud in Rio.
missilesilo wrote:
soveriegn citizen wrote:You "very much doubt he had a green card". In other words, you don't actually know, just like you don't actually know what you're talking about.
From the USATF qualifying standards page:
7. An Athlete must be a U.S. citizen and eligible to represent the United States in international competition, as well as being a U.S. citizen on the date of Declaration for the 2016 U.S. Olympic Trials in that event - this date being 48 hours prior to the first day of competition in the event.
Forget the green card, the runners in question have to be US citizens to even compete in the Olympic Trials. Doesn't matter if they are in the army or stocking shelves at Wal Mart. They are US citizens.
Read the citizenship oath sometime and see what it contains.
Welcome to the USA guys, make us proud in Rio.
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Based on Major Browne's demonstrated performance, I'd be interested to know how fast these WCAP athletes (Note: I do not call them soldiers) became US citizens in comparison to regular soldiers. No doubt, there is nefarious activity occurring .... ex. Chelimo enlisted only about a year ago. Suspect Browne already had the paperwork rolling while they were in Boot Camp.
It is interesting that of all the other WCAP sports only one member list a non US home city.
Seems to me that the recruiter for T&F has a bias for non-American recruits.
Sometimes the roster can reflect a bias of a coach.
Feelings are the same wrote:
activeit wrote:Seriously those 10k guys aren't even American, they shouldn't even be aloud to compete. Am I the only one who feels this way?
They literally were paid to convert to American citizenship to run for the US, seriously embarrassing.
Agree.
My wife and I were watching and said the exact same thing.
Tax payers paying for Africans to run and gain citizenship more easily.
As a tax payer, who asked me to have my money spent in this way?
Oh yes, our government knows how to spend my money better than I do.
What a slap in the face to our US born athletes and those immigrants who legitimately try to gain US citizenship through proper lengthy channels.
I am disgusted.
This just tells us that both you and your wife are idiots.
You pay your taxes and the government decides how to spend the money. You don't like it, vote for someone else next time.
I would take a new citizen that was willing to serve in the military over someone riding out the 'proper lengthy channels' any day. That just proves they were willing to sacrifice for their citizenship.
now, I'm wondering wrote:
Les wrote:The fact that Kenyans are on the Army athletic team shows just how unappealing it is for most Americans.
So tell us then... What's the point of throwing money at something that is so unappealing to most Americans?
Recruitment of other Kenyans/foreigners
In this thread: Jealous, white American men who cannot or will not train hard enough to make the team.
Also, Congrats to Dan Browne and the WCAP team!
- Love that "race card" ... a fall-back for those failing to embrace the reality
- Why congrats Major Browne & the WCAP team ... clearly, they poached the top NCAA foreign athletes by promising them both citizenship/pseudo professional status to continue their running careers versus real military service.