Im sorry I am not new to the sport. I have been running and competing for over 30 years. And your PR is your PR, doesn't mean you can run that everytime. I look forward to learning something.
Im sorry I am not new to the sport. I have been running and competing for over 30 years. And your PR is your PR, doesn't mean you can run that everytime. I look forward to learning something.
ttc wrote:
Contradiction wrote:...Is it confirmed that Rudisha never runs over 35MPW by the way?
"Rudisha said he typically runs 70 to 80 kilometers per week (a low number for an elite middle distance runner)."
(Converts to 43-50 miles).
http://running.competitor.com/2012/04/news/rudisha-takes-nothing-for-granted_50602
"Basic conditioning, easy runs, about 60km a week, some gym work, exercises. Slowly but surely we increased the quality, the weekly mileage remained the same. In March, we started adding the track workouts."
Straight from his coach, direct quotes not a paraphrase.
http://www.iaaf.org/news/feature/staying-focused-is-a-huge-challenge-says-rudi"What’s the furthest you’ve ever run? I think my furthest distance in training is 13km. In competition I think my furthest distance is 1,500m, and that is in the time when I was doing the decathlon."
age of the athlete and time frame? 153 next year 151 then 149 then 143 Then yes its fishy and I would probably say dirty. But there are other factors, injury and age. I mean he could have got injured prior to running faster in the 151 year and that could change my thoughts. but either way the 3.9 is the key. I have trained for decades and trained hundreds and followed many more and 3.9 at that level 149-145 in 1 year is fishy. All the factors you list are simple and everyone that trains knows about nutrition, genetics etc.
I think a have a very knowledgeable grasp of what the human body is capable of doing in track and I think you may have allowed your naivete ruin your ability to analyze what really happens in track and really sports.
My background is sprinter and I did have a season at the 800, but could never finish the last 200, i hit sub 120 at the 600 more than 20 times in practice and could never break 150 and I had good speed at that time. So I went back to the sprints. I tried everything for 2 full seasons, increase mileage, speed endurance etc. I think his mentality judging from the interviews tell me he is a 600 meters training guy. WIth that base in fall 30-50.
The Fisher mile race would be great, I'll take Fisher.
Is it possible that he was just never pushed to run faster times in high school?
Skinning Cats IX Ways wrote:
I had a collegiate runner who was a 1:49 guy and never ran more than 600m in practice. Never did any distance, but could also run 10.4 and split sub-45.
Different training for different bodies is right.
If he could run 10.4 and split sub-45 why was he wasting time running a 1:49 800 lol.
I think not likely. And if not then give him the 147 still too big a drop.
Contradiction wrote:
It has been said that Brazier only runs 20-30MPW with one aerobic run of 30 min per week. He didn't do cross country either. Does anyone know if he had a higher mileage base, because this mileage seems pretty low, and it's working very well. This type of training contradicts much of the 800 training mentioned on this site, especially from the "Sub 1:50 800m Training" thread. How does Brazier run so fast on this training? Is this type of training the best for 800m? Does anyone have any more specific info on it?
Jesus Christ you numbskull one outlier one the Gaussian curve does not mean we should ignore the 800m training methods that work for 95% of people.
track fan 001 wrote:
Skinning Cats IX Ways wrote:I had a collegiate runner who was a 1:49 guy and never ran more than 600m in practice. Never did any distance, but could also run 10.4 and split sub-45.
Different training for different bodies is right.
If he could run 10.4 and split sub-45 why was he wasting time running a 1:49 800 lol.
Much easier event in our conference at the time, lol!
Olympic Truth wrote:
age of the athlete and time frame? 153 next year 151 then 149 then 143 Then yes its fishy and I would probably say dirty. But there are other factors, injury and age. I mean he could have got injured prior to running faster in the 151 year and that could change my thoughts. but either way the 3.9 is the key. I have trained for decades and trained hundreds and followed many more and 3.9 at that level 149-145 in 1 year is fishy. All the factors you list are simple and everyone that trains knows about nutrition, genetics etc.
I think a have a very knowledgeable grasp of what the human body is capable of doing in track and I think you may have allowed your naivete ruin your ability to analyze what really happens in track and really sports.
See, I love this, because you're so confident in your assertion that my example, too, is fishy, and then call me naive....
While ignoring that I just described Isaiah Harris to you, a real person, with those real progressions, with no injury history at all, with no PEDs (And I know this personally, as a fact)
It appears you are not nearly so knowledgeable as you pretend to be.
I guess we just have to wait and see if Brazier can sustain this crazy training off of low mileage. Anyone have a way of finding out whether you are a low mileage 800 guy or higher mileage 800 guy? Or is it just accomplished through trial and error? Or is the rule of thumb that if you are running, say, slower than 1:55 to run higher mileage because you wont be running both laps that fast in the first place? If only the 800 was easier to train for haha.
I think he'd be a candidate for Igloi training.
ghu wrote:
I think he'd be a candidate for Igloi training.
i was thinking that he was already doing Schul workouts.
closebutnocigar wrote:
Olympic Truth wrote:age of the athlete and time frame? 153 next year 151 then 149 then 143 Then yes its fishy and I would probably say dirty. But there are other factors, injury and age. I mean he could have got injured prior to running faster in the 151 year and that could change my thoughts. but either way the 3.9 is the key. I have trained for decades and trained hundreds and followed many more and 3.9 at that level 149-145 in 1 year is fishy. All the factors you list are simple and everyone that trains knows about nutrition, genetics etc.
I think a have a very knowledgeable grasp of what the human body is capable of doing in track and I think you may have allowed your naivete ruin your ability to analyze what really happens in track and really sports.
See, I love this, because you're so confident in your assertion that my example, too, is fishy, and then call me naive....
While ignoring that I just described Isaiah Harris to you, a real person, with those real progressions, with no injury history at all, with no PEDs (And I know this personally, as a fact)
It appears you are not nearly so knowledgeable as you pretend to be.
Not in the same league as Brazier, but I went from 1:53 as a 19 year old to 1:48 the next season as a 20 year old with no PEDs. There's no need to be bitter or jealous about seeing others improve.
Granted there were some contributing factors: I had quit the sport at 17 and made a comeback at 19. Ran 1:53 early in the season before getting injured. Ran 1:48 late the next season with much more structured training. Again, completely different story to Brazier - I ran around 100-110km in off season and 70-80km during season
Metric Miler wrote:
ttc wrote:"Rudisha said he typically runs 70 to 80 kilometers per week (a low number for an elite middle distance runner)."
(Converts to 43-50 miles).
http://running.competitor.com/2012/04/news/rudisha-takes-nothing-for-granted_50602"Basic conditioning, easy runs, about 60km a week, some gym work, exercises. Slowly but surely we increased the quality, the weekly mileage remained the same. In March, we started adding the track workouts."
Straight from his coach, direct quotes not a paraphrase.
http://www.iaaf.org/news/feature/staying-focused-is-a-huge-challenge-says-rudi
"Rushida said he typically runs 70 to 80 kilometers per week." -Pretty hard to state this wrong.
Even if you're right, 36 mpw is 30-80% more than Brazier's reported. Maybe Rushida does runs on his own. He said 70-80 km per week.
You really believe the direct quote. I saw Jeremy Warner eat at Mcdonalds the day before his 1st heat in Athens. My point being they never tell the truth, its easy for them to mislead/lie becasue they do it all the time with PEDs so training is just another lie. They all know the basic's and have a legit program, but the details are only known to a select few. Please don't challenge how I know this, I do. Hence my name.
#1. I am sure you do not know it for a fact. Lance Armstrong Marion Jones have actually never been caught- FOR A FACT. Yet we all know they took. Also, he went from a 152.76 in May/June to a 146 in 6 months and you think that's clean. If so, then you are naieve. And you will not convince me he is clean.
How can you possibly explain that? Really? Have you trained for several seasons and have first hand experience how unreal that is?
Going to a 148 from 153 is natural. Esp at that age. Its the drop from that level to the elite in 1 year that I know is dirty. If you continued to run I would think you would tend to agree. You have done the workouts and know how unreal that type of improvement in such a short time.
I mean its improving during rest days. Its like half a second every month for 6 months. And at the world class level. Once you start running 146 low 145 and sometimes at 147 level your improvment ratio gets smaller and smaller.
Contradiction wrote:
So then why do all of the elite 800 guys do a lot of mileage in base phase and continue with the higher mileage in later phases, dropping it some, but not all the way into the 20s? Brazier is using a totally different approach, and it's working. Does anyone know more about his training than what was said in the article?
This is great. "What he's doing is different", followed by "does anybody know more about his training?". You don't even know the whole story of his training numbnuts.