IT'S ON! Lashawn Merrit runs 19.78 wind legal!

0.2c wrote:

Michael Johnson was not capable of running 19.32 in 1999 when he set the 400m WR. He was a 19.7 that year.

No .. but he DID run 19.32, and ran 43.49 over 400m.

I don't see Merrit breaking MJ's wr.

wtfunny wrote:No .. but he DID run 19.32, and ran 43.49 over 400m.

I don't see Merrit breaking MJ's wr.

nonsense

what was butch's 200pb ???

tell us what that was & how he ran 43.29 off it & why lashawn can't run 43.17 off 19.78 speed already in mid-april ???

Why do you try and claim everyone hasn't been doing much speed work in these early season openers? It isn't true. He has been working on his speed he said so in the interview, he is a 200/400 guy he will have been working on his speed for months and raced this 200m after a block of speed training to see the effects.

He will maintain doing some speed work leading into Rio of course but he will mainly be doing the special endurance sessions and hard anaerobic work required to run a good 400. If he doesn't, he will fail it's simple.

This means his 200m may not necessarily get faster. 19.5x speed is needed for a WR attempt to be on in my opinion. You can disagree.

That said, with 3/4 guys all pushing each other this year the record very well could go to someone. Much easier to run against others and set a fast time than run against the clock.

About this PB, if you think he couldn't have run 19.8x around the time of the Beijing final then you are mad. He went though 200m in 20.8.

You really are a stupid little piece of carp, aren't you?

Interesting how the internet has provided you with the opportunity to completely halt your personal, and interpersonal, development.

ventolin^3 wrote:

wtfunny wrote:No .. but he DID run 19.32, and ran 43.49 over 400m.

I don't see Merrit breaking MJ's wr.

nonsense

what was butch's 200pb ???

tell us what that was & how he ran 43.29 off it & why lashawn can't run 43.17 off 19.78 speed already in mid-april ???

MJ ran 19.32. And what 400m time did he run when he was in 19.32 shape?

when CERA was off the cards ,

wariners performances went south .

as well ate to much fast food ,admitted.

you know the dope , you know the peptide .

best ped ever ,hands down ........

all over track ,all over sport but wada wont test for it .

that says all you need to know that wada are all about doping , money

and business . all a front .

simply can not deny that most these times ,in track due to this peptide

question is merrit nike , then on same exact programme as gatlin now

previously thought like nick symmonds was simply lots of testosterone.

now like gatlin and nike labs the real cheating begins ,with said peptide ,and epo and obvious constant Test. . like south african athlete

and the s. african national headquarters.

so will have that last 100m endurance in 400m that was always slighting missing and if bouncy track like all major meets get now

will be right on the world record .

track is so so so dirty now that just not funny

a 400m record set during free for all on epo that guaranteed that fast

last 100m like cera did for wariner could be broken

in a era that told never been cleaner . Joke ...................

Is there a Google Translate or equivalent for ^this?

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aduck is a moron.

no

i assume he has done some speedwork

i didn't say he has done 2 months of speedwork which woud be nonsense in mid-april where he has no serious races to win

you plucked 2 months of speedwork out of thin air

as far as we know he maya only done a coupla weeks of speedwork

no

what is not true is you making up 2 months of speedwork when in fact you have no clue what duration he has done

he said only "i have done some speedwork"

no mention of duration

he says "working on strength" also, indicating weights

you cannot assume 2 months seeing as he says he is now running a 400 in couple of weeks & to break 400wr this year is "realistic"

no

he is a 400/200 guy

nonsense

no mention of duration & to assume 2 months or more is ludicrous

winter for a 400 guy is about endurance work

th speedwork gets added on in the spring, probably even in may/june in previous years

he says he has done some speedwork but it coud be only a matter of a couple of weeks + much better quality weight-training in winter

no

he expected 20.0/20.1 from interview

this indicates whatever speedwork he did he didn't expect any shocking results

that indicates no great duration of speedwork as he wouda said that he expected a time well below 20 as he had done long stretch of speedwork

400 guys don't do lot of speedwork in winter

no

his base endurance shoud basically be in place

that is what winter is about & he has a decade+ of quality endurance in his legs already

he will do much more speedwork next few more months

utter nonsense

he coud go out there right now & run 43.4 / 43.5 in drake relays if wind is 0 & he wants to run flat-out

i woudn't be at all surprised if he busts a 43.3 there as that i believe is his current upper limit before he puts in another 3/12 of solid work

no

once again

go fetch any elite guy who ran his fastest 200 in mid-april

he may not run another flat-out 200 this year, but his intrinsic 200 will be 19.6 at worst by trials

nonsense

butch reynolds ran 43.29 & had 20.46pb !!!

nearly 1s slower than you suggest

of course this shows what nonsense some pbs are as butch had to have something like 19.7 ability when he ran 43.29

yes

lashawn coud run as fast as 43.3 right now

that 20.8 figure is nonsense

there was no official iaaf publication of the intermediate splits

i have seen the "research" & it is some website which used vid freeze-frame analysis

that is easy for 300 split as can be estimated from the 100m line with 0.3s clock error

however, the 200 estimate is nonsense as no track markings for lashawn at 200m point : 21.2s according to clock

even if 20.8 is vaguely correct, it shows you are clueless if you think that can't be split off 20.1 ability if you have enormous endurance as that was all lashawn brought to that meet

newhouse who ran caballo to a panic with 44.40 to 44.26 in '76 ran a suicidal 20.6 !!! in a 44.1 in '72 & i doubt newhouse was quicker than a 20-low guy

a 20-high split in a 43.6 is perfectly possible off intrinsic 20.1 speed

Wtfunny wrote:MJ ran 19.32. And what 400m time did he run when he was in 19.32 shape?

you seem to have no clue about mj

he was always a 200 guy & atlanta was set-up for double but he wanted the 200

the big race was 200 where despite 19.66wr in trials he got whupped by frankie in oslo soon after

mj knew he had monumental battle for 200 gold

he ran "controlled" 400 to take an easy gold when he knew no one was within proverbial mile of him over 400

he even ran slower to win gold than in trials !!!

he had to save his energy for the later 200 final where he blasted 19.32

if he had only the 400 to race there & ran it flat-out, he wouda been looking at ~ 43-flat

anyone with a clue about the sport woud know his atlanta 400 win was nowhere close to flat-out run

if you had bothered to check you woud know he ran 43.18wr off 19.93sb !!!

so how on earth is lashawn's 19.78 in mid-april too slow a 200 to run 43.17 this year ???

explain to world how butch had 20.46pb & ran 43.29 ???

before you say "dope", explain what dope makes you crap at 200 but superfast at 400 ???

You are making up he hasn't done much speed work also. He said he has, and clearly has been doing speed work. Once again he is a sprinter and it you knew about sprinting you would know he has been working hard on speed. It is not winter, it is mid April, what do you think Merritt has been doing since February?

You don't think Merritt will be doing the anaerobic work and special endurance heading into the Olympics? You think he will hope to run rounds of 400s off more speed work?

Butch Reynolds 'intrinsic 200' was obviously sub 20 as you suggest, and Merritt would also have run under 20 last year if he had tried around the WC. He ran 19.98 in 2007 when he ran 43.96 and is a much more powerful athlete now than he was then.

If you compare his 400m from 2007 to his 200m then you get a factor of 2.20.

43.65/2.2 = 19.84 - that is around what Merritt could have managed last year.

20.8 from 30fps frame by frame analysis doesn't require relying on the screen clock. You load the video into your computer and can determine exactly when the runner passes certain points on the track it's not hard. And is good enough for 1dp.

Splitting 20.8 for someone you say was not capable of sub 20.1 is very tough. Especially having a heavy build like Merritt's. Kirani James who is a different kind of 400 runner may manage it if he were to run 20 flat.

For a powerful 200/400 guy like Merritt he needs to go through 200m ~1s off his PB.

Butch ran 20.46 in 1987, a year before his 43.29, a year when he ran 44.10. Later he was around that level in the 200m.

1997: best of 44.086th in USA Outdoors (44.98)ranked #8 in world (#5 U.S.) by T&FN.

1996: best of 43.912nd in Olympic Trials (43.91)did not finish semi at Olympic Games (injured).

1995: best of 44.222nd in USA Outdoors (44.42)silver in World Champs (44.22): third leg on winning 4x400m (2:57.32)ranked #2 in world (#2 U.S.) by T&FN.

1994: best of 45.18.

1993: best of 44.12won USA Indoor 400m Trialsgold in World Indoor (45.26 MR)2nd in USA Outdoors (44.12)silver in World Champs (44.13); third leg on winning 4x400m (2:54.29 WR)2nd in GP Final (44.96)ranked #2 in world (#2 U.S.) by T&FN.

1992: best of 44.145th in Olympic Trials (44.65)ranked #10 in world (#6 U.S.) by T&FN.

1991: best of 47.407th in heat at USA Outdoors (47.40).

1990: best of 44.22, plus 20.60did not finish 200m heat at USA Outdoorsranked #2 in world (#2 U.S.) by T&FN.

1989: best of 44.30, plus 20.462nd in GP Finalranked #1 in world by T&FN.

1988: best of 43.29won Olympic Trialswon Zurich GP in World Record 43.29silver in Olympic Games; anchor on winning 4x400mranked #1 in world by T&FN.

1987: best of 44.10, plus 20.46 (200m)6th in USA Indoor 400m Trials3rd in 500m at NCAA Indoorwon NCAA; anchor on 9th-place 4x400mwon USA Outdoorsbronze at World Champs; anchor on winning 4x 400mranked #2 in world (#1 U.S.) by T&FN.

I have to say that I have no doubts about how good a 200m runner Butch Reynolds was even at his very best in 1988 after the Olympics, when he set his world record and smashed Lee Evans's old altitude record by 1/2 a second. Innocent Egbunike is way, way ahead in the first 200m and Reynolds just is not out that fast. Where he really gained was in the latter half where his stamina gave him a huge edge over the others. I don't think that he was in shape to run 19.80. He was in shape to repeat 21.xx. Wariner never broke 20 in numerous attempts and he ran 43.45. Indeed, MJ said that Wariner had a shot at his world record. Butch might have run a similar time to Wariner, low 20.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y30DFZ6cSg

jjjjj wrote:

I have to say that I have no doubts about how good a 200m runner Butch Reynolds was even at his very best in 1988 after the Olympics, when he set his world record and smashed Lee Evans's old altitude record by 1/2 a second. Innocent Egbunike is way, way ahead in the first 200m and Reynolds just is not out that fast. Where he really gained was in the latter half where his stamina gave him a huge edge over the others. I don't think that he was in shape to run 19.80. He was in shape to repeat 21.xx. Wariner never broke 20 in numerous attempts and he ran 43.45. Indeed, MJ said that Wariner had a shot at his world record. Butch might have run a similar time to Wariner, low 20.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y30DFZ6cSg

Wariner, Reynolds, and Kirani James are all the same type of 400m runner. As you said, they benefit from their stamina and holding their speed. You could call them 400m specialists.

Johnson and Merritt are both 200/400 guys who have a focus on power, having a big build and being fast enough over a flat 200m that going through in 21 doesn't hurt too much.

Johnson had a comparatively terrible 200 to 400 conversion when looking at Reynolds and Wariner. If he had Wariner's stamina he could have easily broken 42 seconds, unthinkable.

Merritt is in a similar boat (though not as bad). He is a 200/400 guy. 2.2 seems about the right conversion for him, so 43.5 is a real possibility soon based on this 19.78. I think the world record requires more.

No doubt Merritt has been working on his speed and wanted to see the results with this 200m, I doubt he will enter for the 200/400 double at Rio. I would think (and hope for Van Niekerk's sake!) that he has been working hard with speed and physical strength as a focus for at least a couple of months to run this time. Not a couple weeks as Ventolin said.

So for him, carrying this speed over to the 400m and running a great 400 will be the aim and the focus of his training up to Rio. If he maintains it or even gets faster then maybe the record is on. But it is not a given.

Running this fast this early? Arent you all afraid he will shoot his load before Rio?

well looks like the self proclaimed bada$$ of the world mr drivel and shriveled and diseased looking flaccid peni$ mr vent isnt responding...

i did a search of the top 10/11 400m performers, found their best 200 and some 300 times to take a look, i dont think merrit can beat the record unless he juices super hard so here it is 400/200/300

1) MJ : 43.18/19.32/30.85

2) BR : 43.29/20.46/32.05

3) JW: 43.45/20.19/31.61

4) VN : 43.48/19.94/31.63

5) QW: 43.50/20.50

6) LM : 43.65/19.78/31.30

7) IM : 43.72/19.96

8) KJ : 43.74/20.41

9) DE : 43.81/20.08/31.48

10) LE: 43.86A/20.40

11) SL: 43.87

so as you can see danny everrett has a faster 300m than JW and faster 200 but slow on 400. JW has faster 400 than merrit but slower 200 and 300. and Van has faster 200 than JW but his 300 and 400 are almost identical. merrit will not get the WR unless he is on the same gear as gatlin and mo

oh and one more thing, i bet with some more digging you will find that most these people did their PR 21-23yrs and then their careers started to decline, except the ones suspected of being on gear...like MJ in the balco/epo era, butch got busted and well merrit used the erectile dysfunction excuse...yeah ok

jjjjj wrote:

I have to say that I have no doubts about how good a 200m runner Butch Reynolds was even at his very best in 1988 after the Olympics, when he set his world record and smashed Lee Evans's old altitude record by 1/2 a second. Innocent Egbunike is way, way ahead in the first 200m and Reynolds just is not out that fast. Where he really gained was in the latter half where his stamina gave him a huge edge over the others. ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y30DFZ6cSg

Sure, but Egbunike simply went out too fast, which is why he faded to 2nd last in the closing 100m. That doesn't say anything about Reynold's 200m potential at all.

"johnson ran 19.32 but could only muster 43.18, yet merrit can run a WR if he's only in 19.6 shape?? what's your reasoning?"

Reasoning being Jeremy Wariner's best 200 20.17 or 20.19 and he mustered 43:45.