Who is the Dartmouth GOAT? Ben True?

weird that this thread has so many entries

unusual place, that Dartmouth HS

that's where they make vomit omelletes, right?

Frank Powers. Decent Greenie. Member of the Blackstone-Millville High School XC team that set a national record of 252 consecutive dual meet victories.

Mass xc wrote:

Frank Powers. Decent Greenie. Member of the Blackstone-Millville High School XC team that set a national record of 252 consecutive dual meet victories.

Okay, so

1. His college career was "decent"

2. He was one member of a cross country team that won a bunch of consecutive, and thoroughly unimportant, high school dual meets.

You think that resume makes him the greatest runner that ever attended Dartmouth?

MMMMM-KAY.

Easy answer: Barry Harwick. I heard awad grew his stache to be like Barry.

frank drebin wrote:

Early adopter wrote:

Perhaps next time you start a thread you'll be clearer about what you mean.

It should be pretty damn obvious that when one asks about the Dartmouth GOAT they are speaking about the College and not some high school. Especially as Ben True was mentioned in the thread TITLE and he went to Dartmouth College, not high school.

Also, given that this is Letsrun, there should be no mentioning of Field athletics unless specifically included in the original post. I don't care about some schmuck throwing a hammer or jumping over a bar.

And to whoever mentioned the 400 meter hurdle guy as IVY GOAT - please, only serious replies. Frank Shorter is the IVY GOAT.

Yeah, I'd have to agree that the shot putter and the hurdler win their respective titles of D-GOAT and I-GOAT.

Easy...Vin Lananna.

Built up a great program at Dartmouth & flipped it into jobs at Stanford, Oberlin & Oregon. Now he just finished directing a world indoor, he'll be the head coach of TEAM USA in Rio, and he will orchestrate the first IAAF world outdoor championship meet in US soil in five years.

Again, we are talking about running. Actual damn running.

I'm sorry that Charlie Moore is a runner and NCAA and Olympic Champion (and also has a second silver Olympic medal) and World Record Holder in his event. Oh and he NEVER lost a 400m hurdles (or 400m) race.

Please only knowledgable replies ;)

Oh and Jim Sapienza is probably the Dartmouth GOAT for men if you are talking just about time in college. 7x All American. Bob K. had 6.

without a doubt Greg Anderson

8:00 high school 3km

ga wrote:

without a doubt Greg Anderson

8:00 high school 3km

Sucked down about five beers the night before the race at dinner, with Coach Lananna across the table from him. Closed that race with a 2:00 800m. I was in the stands, also with beers in me, and Greg set a North American high-school record. Of course he was 19 at the time, I believe, since we had Grade 13 up there, so that is probably worth only about 8:35 had he been a U.S. high school senior.

Kempainen never had the AR in the marathon. Boston is not a record-eligible course and on top of that his 2:08 was in the big tailwind year of 1994. Still a stud. But True already has the better career.

his 8:00 was in grade 13 but... at the same provincial championship in grade 12 he ran 8:10. Not sure if he sucked back any beers that year.

Ivy ivy wrote:

I'm sorry that Charlie Moore is a runner and NCAA and Olympic Champion (and also has a second silver Olympic medal) and World Record Holder in his event. Oh and he NEVER lost a 400m hurdles (or 400m) race.

Please only knowledgable replies ;)

Yeah and he didn't go to Dartmouth.

The Ivy GOAT talk is distracting us from the real issue at hand. But since I'm distracted already, let me say that nothing some guy did in the early 50s in a third tier event like the 400 meter hurdles surpasses Frank Shorter's running accomplishments. Shorter is the Undisputed Ivy

GOAT.

Or maybe you'd like to argue the merits of some Penn Race Walker from the 1890s.

Mike Ontiches wrote:

ga wrote:

without a doubt Greg Anderson

8:00 high school 3km

Sucked down about five beers the night before the race at dinner, with Coach Lananna across the table from him. Closed that race with a 2:00 800m. I was in the stands, also with beers in me, and Greg set a North American high-school record. Of course he was 19 at the time, I believe, since we had Grade 13 up there, so that is probably worth only about 8:35 had he been a U.S. high school senior.

Kempainen never had the AR in the marathon. Boston is not a record-eligible course and on top of that his 2:08 was in the big tailwind year of 1994. Still a stud. But True already has the better career.

Does this bring back any memories?

frank drebin wrote:

Ivy ivy wrote:

I'm sorry that Charlie Moore is a runner and NCAA and Olympic Champion (and also has a second silver Olympic medal) and World Record Holder in his event. Oh and he NEVER lost a 400m hurdles (or 400m) race.

Please only knowledgable replies ;)

Yeah and he didn't go to Dartmouth.

The Ivy GOAT talk is distracting us from the real issue at hand. But since I'm distracted already, let me say that nothing some guy did in the early 50s in a third tier event like the 400 meter hurdles surpasses Frank Shorter's running accomplishments. Shorter is the Undisputed Ivy

GOAT.

Or maybe you'd like to argue the merits of some Penn Race Walker from the 1890s.

Well, since people are arguing, I think it's safe to say it's not "undisputed." Clearly a Dartmouth guy and not one of the real Ivies.

I knew someone would get their knickers in a twist over my "undisputed" phrasing. Did that as a sense of humor test.

Seriously though, what Shorter accomplished in a much more competitive event and a much more competitive era makes him the Ivy GOAT. Dude caused a fricking running boom.

We're talking about DARTMOUTH running here. Stay on topic.

OK, and Kempainen ran in a more competitive era than Shorter. And True ran in a more competitive era than either. What difference does that make?

Joey Chapin, except I hear Tim Gorman is leaner