Unbelievable. Might Galen Rupp have to qualify for World Indoors out of the slow heat at 2016 USA Indoors?

Star wrote:

Slight correction wrote:

10 non-collegiate men have run sub-7:50 this year on IAAF-legal tracks

But they don't all have the World qualifying time.

Rupp does.

All world qualifiers should be placed in the fast heat.

The WIC qualifying time is 7:50.00. My statement is correct.

Star wrote:

Rupp has the world qualifier for the 3000 right now.

I think he is one of 6 Americans that do.

Why would he be placed in the slow heat at USA's?

Because USATF's email to me read, "If field size is large, the 1500 would be a timed, seeded final with A and B races based on seed time."

Rupp's seed time is 7:57.

wccelder wrote:

I wonder if Jill Greer gets to work on some days and just prays that there is no e-mail from a "...johnson@letsrun.com" in her inbox.

That made me laugh. Honestly, I think "Always Bash USATF" is a bad thing to do. I know a lot of runners do it. I don't . It's just that they seem to screw entries every single year up.

Jill is a professional and gets back to me quickly on just about everything.

if Menjo solos an incredible time, he is a hero. If Rupp does it, he is cheating.

jjjjj wrote:

if Menjo solos an incredible time, he is a hero. If Rupp does it, he is cheating.

Rupp is cheating even if he doesn't solo an incredible time.

I would say the chances are about 50/50 that Rupp will run in the B race. There are one or two guys who might opt for the 1500, there is always a few guys who pull out of the 3K at the last minute and USATF can make the size whatever they want it to be.

Btw, I don't care which race he runs in, this is just something to think about.

rojo wrote:

Star wrote:

Rupp has the world qualifier for the 3000 right now.

I think he is one of 6 Americans that do.

Why would he be placed in the slow heat at USA's?

Because USATF's email to me read, "If field size is large, the 1500 would be a timed, seeded final with A and B races based on seed time."

Rupp's seed time is 7:57.

wccelder wrote:

I wonder if Jill Greer gets to work on some days and just prays that there is no e-mail from a "...johnson@letsrun.com" in her inbox.

That made me laugh. Honestly, I think "Always Bash USATF" is a bad thing to do. I know a lot of runners do it. I don't . It's just that they seem to screw entries every single year up.

Jill is a professional and gets back to me quickly on just about everything.

That email refers to the 1500, not the 3000, right?

Slight correction wrote:

The WIC qualifying time is 7:50.00. My statement is correct.

I was looking at the 7:40 qualifying time, but that is for outdoor performances.

His sub 13:10 outdoor qualifies him.

I see that the indoor standard is 7:50.00 as you stated.

Hard to find an objective way to get him in the fast heat.

But that hasn't stopped USATF before.

jjjjj wrote:

if Menjo solos an incredible time, he is a hero. If Rupp does it, he is cheating.

yeah, nobody thought the dude who threw down a couple ridiculous times then disappears was doping...

woem is me wrote:

This might be a reach, but would Rupp and the NOP come up to Seattle and run in a low-key Division II last chance meet this Saturday and run fast enough not to be put in the slow heat?

That's not impossible... that meet doesn't normally allow non-NCAA athletes in it, but I heard rumors they were considering allowing those athletes in this year. I don't think there was any particular group that was requesting in the meet, I think they just had requests from a number of athletes.

Star wrote:

Rupp has the world qualifier for the 3000 right now.

I think he is one of 6 Americans that do.

Why would he be placed in the slow heat at USA's?

Because the USATF rules make it clear that seeding is based on seed times, which are not always the same as qualifying times.

Rojo, you make it sound like USATF is being unfair to Rupp, the US 3000m indoor record holder, by potentially making him run in the slow heat. I agree, that sounds odd.

However, have you not considered the possibility that, given Rupp's slow qualifying time, running an A and B heat could be the only way to have him run at all? If the NCAA system, which you appear to favour, were in place (or indeed if the "field size" was 16, as you pointed out the USATF website appeared to suggest), Rupp may very likely not get a spot.

Yes, A and B heats for a national championship are very odd, you'd expect the National champion to be in the top 12 (or 16) coming into the race. But if the system is bent, I believe it's bent to Rupp / Salazar's favour.

Of course, for next time, USATF may consider the following amendments to their rules:

* A national record holder automatically qualifies for the final in his event (or the A heat if there is more than one).

* Any reigning national champion, or national trials winner automatically qualifies for the final (or A heat) in any other event he enters, provided he meats the entry standard.

* Any runner already possessing the WC qualifying standard automatically qualifies for the final (or A heat).

* Any coach who has won a silver medal in a world XC championship, and held American records in at least two separate events, can automatically nominate one runner to the final (or A heat), and one additional runner for each NY marathon victory that he may have achieved.

The standard is an automatic standard, even if it means the target field size is exceeded.

This happened because no one ever goes to the standards sub-committee meeting at the Annual Meeting where there are actual discussions about these standards. I'm guilty, I didn't make it this year, but the pole vault standards are good, I wouldn't have a clue if the distance standards are good or not.

The standard is supposed to be hard, something less than the target field size hits. The target field size is to give people an idea of how many athletes they are looking to accept beyond the standard. It's not a hard and fast number, in the horizontal jumps you often have ties in that last position.

USATF shouldn't care about people wanting to double, and stick to a championship style program. Worlds will have rounds, so qualifying should, too. My state championships (Australia) are this weekend, and the 400 heats were 30 minutes before the 800 heats, the 1500 heats less than 2 hours after. Same issue with the semis. You just have to choose what you want to focus on, don't make other races unfair for people like Galen for the very few people who want to double.

http://athsvic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2016-Vic-Open-Junior-Knockout-Provisional-TT-24.02.16.pdf?_cldee=c2FtYmxha2UxMEBob3RtYWlsLmNvbQ%3d%3d&urlid=1

There is the slight possibility that this actually helps Rupp. Hear me out. Rupp is a great time trialer. What if Salazar comes to some sort of agreement ($) with someone else in the B heat to pace Rupp for the first half to a fast time. Then the A heat goes tactical, with guys trying to outkick each other for the other spot. I actually prefer Rupp's chances of time trialing to fast time the others can't hit versus trying to outkick Centro (if he runs it), Hill, True, Mead, et al. in a tactical race.

Read the whole thread. Ground has already been covered.

Read the whole thread. wrote:

Read the whole thread. Ground has already been covered.

My bad. I only read the first and last page. Guess I should have read the whole thread before I posted.

No sign of that skepticism here on letsrun, from 2010 after the Fifth Avenue Mile:Menjo Getting Some PressOn the men's side of things in Lisbon, Tadese Tola got the win over LetsRun favorite Josphat Menjo, 61:05 to 61:42. Speaking of Menjo, LetsRun.com is pleased to report that we've been told that our hyping the guy who earlier this year soloed 12:55 and 26:56 has garnered him a small profile piece in an upcoming edition of Running Times.Read more: http://www.letsrun.com/2010/week-0927.php#ixzz41P7scMRF

sdsfkfsmkafslm wrote:

jjjjj wrote:

if Menjo solos an incredible time, he is a hero. If Rupp does it, he is cheating.

yeah, nobody thought the dude who threw down a couple ridiculous times then disappears was doping...

Many are overlooking Bernard Lagat because he showed signs of age last year and didn't qualify for World's. However, he was sick at the wrong time last year and check these rankings out for 2015:

mile: 3:54.91i 7th

3000m: 7:37.92i 1st

5000m: 13:14.97 6th

3k's been his strongest event in recent years, as proven at world indoors, so don't count him out despite the very strong potential competition.