Dafne 21.63

LetsRun.com wrote:

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Anyone know the last time a white woman or man won an event below 200?

Since you ask...(wasnt very long ago)

2014 world indoor champs..

Details 1 202 Richard Kilty GBRGBR 6.49 PB 0.120

Details 2 387 Marvin Bracy USAUSA 6.51 0.138

Details 3 330 Femi Ogunode QATQAT 6.52 0.160

Details 4 139 Bingtian Su CHNCHN 6.52 NIR 0.147

Details 5 416 Gerald Phiri ZAMZAM 6.52 NIR 0.141

Details 6 192 Dwain Chambers GBRGBR 6.53 0.139

Details 7 245 Nesta Carter JAMJAM 6.57 0.129

Details 8 255 Kimmari Roach JAMJAM 6.58 0.159

I'd bet my life that Dafne has the clean world records for both 200 AND 100 now.

Phantasy Star wrote:

I'd bet my life that Dafne has the clean world records for both 200 AND 100 now.

Go jump off of the nearest bridge!

Genetics? wrote:

winter olympics wrote:

Considering the time and the likes that have been in that Zone (Koch, Ottey, Jones, and FloJo, not at all convinced that it's for real).

The Dutch are onto something. Did you see the complete domination by their speed skaters in the 2014 Sochi Olympics?

Perhaps its genetics. Maybe the Dutch have the best running genes in the world? Their futbol players are some of the fastest on the planet.

Somebody better find a Dutch West Indies-based ancestor for Schippers. That's the only way the resident genetic experts will ever accept her to be a genuine speed talent. Shouldn't be too difficult either, considering what the surname means in Dutch.

Notsostrict wrote:

Please stop lying, while the dutch are some of the tallest (if not the tallest) people on earth, at 179 cm she's well above average (for females obviously) even in The Netherlands according to statistics Netherlands, which is 169 cm (age group 20-30)

She even above the average European male.

Erm, I'm Dutch, and I'm 1.70. The average length of the people depends on ethnicity, (even how bad tthat may sound), and the region where people live.

In the north, where I'm coming from the average male is certainly > 1.85m, also 99% of all ethnic Dutch women there are taller than I am. I'd say average is about 1.77 there.

If you go to the south, you'll find ethnic Dutch women are about 1.70 on average, while the men are about 1.80 on average.

People from other etnicities are usually (quite a lot) shorter on average (5-15cm).

Also, women don't have an immaculate face, usually a lot of fixing is being done with make-up. Her jaw-line is one she's always had, also in her youth, I think that's natural for her.

But the performance is one which is quite unbelievable. Whether I think Dafne is clean? I hope so. Can't make more of it.

What white sprinters were caught? Is Harry Butch Reynolds white? I know he has green eyes but.....

LetsRun.com wrote:

Best championship final since 1988 Olympics won by Flojo when 4 women broke 22.00. We are assuming that can't be considered the greatest championship ever as it had to be doped to the gills.

Incredible race.

POS BIB ATHLETE MARK DETAIL REACTION TIME

1 622 Dafne SCHIPPERS NED 21.63 CR 0.149

2 520 Elaine THOMPSON JAM 21.66 PB 0.195

3 508 Veronica CAMPBELL-BROWN JAM 21.97 SB 0.142

4 900 Candyce MCGRONE USA 22.01 PB 0.158

5 383 Dina ASHER-SMITH GBR 22.07 NR 0.162

6 921 Jeneba TARMOH USA 22.31 0.150

7 197 Ivet LALOVA-COLLIO BUL 22.41 0.157

8 518 Sherone SIMPSON JAM 22.50 SB 0.148

Anyone know the last time a white woman or man won an event below 200?

21.66 and not to win it - incredible! I rewatch that race and every time I think Schippers will not make it through to first. Can't believe she's faster than Allyson Felix now. Performance of the meet together with Yego and Christian Taylor, so far.

Schippers = East Germany

The most doped 200m field since the Berlin Wall fell.

Great dip in the end. I'm curious to know what she'd now be able to run the 100h and 400m in. Great athlete with great use of her 5'11" height. It's ridiculously difficult, but I'm hoping to stay optimistic that she's clean (like I'm thinking for GDibaba).

Not sure about that track, though.

arte wrote:

Somebody better find a Dutch West Indies-based ancestor for Schippers. That's the only way the resident genetic experts will ever accept her to be a genuine speed talent. Shouldn't be too difficult either, considering what the surname means in Dutch.

Oh get over it. The simple FACTS are:

in the sprints, those of west african descent have DOMINATED those of european descent for decades (yes, occasional exceptions show up, but that is the incredibly strong trend). The only time this wasn't true in recent history was when the East German "women" dominated. It is also a FACT that they were part of a state-sponsored steroid program.

Schippers is now ahead of ALL those East German 100%-dopers, and in front of nearly all West African descended runners who have dominated the sprints for decades, many of whom also doped. Taking wind into consideration, she is probably ahead definite doper Marion Jones, and almost up there with certain doper Flo Jo.

And she is jacked out of her mind.

Put allllllllllllll of that together, and yes, you have a likely case of testosterone/steroid use. Not certain, but likely.

And yes, I don't like baseless drug accusations, but I see many points against her.

And where is the Netherlands sprint tradition??? Almost non-existant. I see a couple of black sprinters in their history, but no white ones on top 1000+ performances lists.

She is a huge outlier on many, many fronts.

And yes, I would also be suspicious of the Kenyan javelin winner. I don't follow throws, but.....

Dutch female sprinter tradition:

Fanny Blankers Koen in the 40's and 50's.

AFAIK that's about it..

coach d wrote:

Schippers = East Germany

The most doped 200m field since the Berlin Wall fell.

Why don't you go and tell that to Dafne, face to face, you ignorant coward?

Still there are always exceptions in every sport. Some Africans are good at cycling, however you don't see that many. Jamaica has sent a bob sled team a couple of times. Quite uncommon..

She looks more like Caitlyn Jenner and probably has as much testosterone.

Let get a grip on things here. Daphne's talent shows throughout her youth and can be found on the internet. This did not develop overnight. The ones hammering on her jawline should look on the internet where there are videos when she was 16 or 17 where you clearly see the jawline is pretty natural and did not change much. Also look at the end of her race where she joins here mother, father and brother. The jawline quite clearly is genetic.

Perhaps one should consider the incredible talent and unique physical build she has (and had long before she focused on sprinting). Yes she is quite unique, but less unique than you might think. Fanny Blankers Koen was also very exceptional winning 4 Olympic gold medals in the 20th century. That was in an age where doping was virtually non-existant.

There are a lot of things going for her. Her technique is superb. She does not have the highest starting speed, but she uses the right tactic,does have a great stamina, the highest overall speed (close to 40km/h) and is mentally probably the strongest of all. Her background of the heptathlon certainly has some advantages going for her (as she explained many times in interviews).

Whether she really is clean or not we do not know: lets hope so. Neither do we know about all the other sprinters. Personally, I'd rather raise an eyebrow because of the many Jamaican medals at these events for years by so many different athletes.

But hey if you really are that concerned by doped athletes, why do you watch sports anyways? Are you really having fun crying about doped athletes when the wrong one wins?

Lets leave it at that it was an incredible race and was enjoyable to watch. Congrats to Daphne and the other medal winners. Next year we will see who is the best then at the olympics.

I agree with you that muscle mass and acne are not complete indicators of doping. I also don't believe a white woman can't run fast, I see white women in other sports all of the time who perhaps could have been a world class sprinter. Unless you live in Africa or the Caribbean you will probably even up in basketball or something else.

Also, if you are a women with a slightly elevated T-level lifts weights, it is not too difficult to put on muscle. Although, I am surprised she has put on more muscle as a runner than as a multi eventer. I am somewhat suspicious, which is ok because I just read a Dutch publication that brought the topic up basically saying she is now in the performance category of dopers and has earned some inspection.

That's true but we could also see women dropping dead mid race which wouldn't be a great advertisement for the sport.

WM wrote:

Yes she is quite unique, but less unique than you might think. Fanny Blankers Koen was also very exceptional winning 4 Olympic gold medals in the 20th century. That was in an age where doping was virtually non-existant.

Really? you're going back the 1940's to find a similar example? You know what her time was in the 200? Just under twenty-SIX seconds (the only one under 26 in the final).

C'mon, try harder than that. (that was basically a prehistoric time in women's athletics. Almost no one competed)

WM wrote:But hey if you really are that concerned by doped athletes, why do you watch sports anyways? Are you really having fun crying about doped athletes when the wrong one wins?

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What? I am not "that concerned" and certainly not "crying." I think there are way too many PED-accusation threads. However, sometimes I think they are justified. This is certainly one of these cases, but I see that the white-power types will have none of it.

We are seeing some great times from around the world. Maybe we are seeing an untapped talent pool.

LetsRun.com wrote

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Best championship final since 1988 Olympics won by Flojo when 4 women broke 22.00. We are assuming that can't be considered the greatest championship ever as it had to be doped to the gills.

Incredible race.

POS BIB ATHLETE MARK DETAIL REACTION TIME

1 622 Dafne SCHIPPERS NED 21.63 CR 0.149

2 520 Elaine THOMPSON JAM 21.66 PB 0.195

3 508 Veronica CAMPBELL-BROWN JAM 21.97 SB 0.142

4 900 Candyce MCGRONE USA 22.01 PB 0.158

5 383 Dina ASHER-SMITH GBR 22.07 NR 0.162

6 921 Jeneba TARMOH USA 22.31 0.150

7 197 Ivet LALOVA-COLLIO BUL 22.41 0.157

8 518 Sherone SIMPSON JAM 22.50 SB 0.148

Anyone know the last time a white woman or man won an event below 200?