Worlds are a complete joke - I'm done with T&F

Doclove wrote:

'I'm done with T&F'

Has the word finished been eradicated from the dictionary in America.

Can an American ever talk about anything without saying I'm done with something or other every 5 mins.

I'm so over your attitude.

Doping flow chart wrote:

For many posters here it seems inconceivable that anyone successful isn't a doper.

Consistently great - doper

Inconsistently great - doper

WR holder - doper

Not fast enough to trouble WRs, but still winning - doper

Bad performance this meeting - doper (doping went wrong)

No failed tests - doper (they're too clever)

Failed tests - doper (but if I like them I excuse it)

Normal blood test results - doper (microdosing / clever administration

Abnormal blood test results - doper (despite absence of failed tests)

From a specific country with history of doping - doper

From a specific country with no history of doping - doper

From a specific ethnicity - doper

My favourite athlete - not a doper

My favoured coaching set up - not a doper

+1

I dont care if they dope its fun to watch people run 43.4

Cheating is Fun for everyone .....

Lucky only watching then and

not competing.

Daddy Long Legs .!!!

Coach who knowes how igf-1 works

will look for a good tall or Long legged

athlete to dope before lesser.

As more of an enhancement in speed

to be had by getting those legs moving

beyond natural but with same range.

And sure seeing at worlds.

aduck2022 wrote:

Cheating is Fun for everyone .....

Lucky only watching then and

not competing.

Daddy Long Legs .!!!

Coach who knowes how igf-1 works

will look for a good tall or Long legged

athlete to dope before lesser.

As more of an enhancement in speed

to be had by getting those legs moving

beyond natural but with same range.

And sure seeing at worlds.

You think Leo manzano is on ifg-1?

DesertRat wrote:

Crimea River wrote:

Apparently the US team was deep, but also clean.

I don't know who's clean and who isn't, but any US athletes (and athletes from many other nations where out-of-competition drug testing is more efficient) who choose to dope usually must either use undetectable substances or carefully microdose with low and short acting doses of detectable but highly effective PEDs, to avoid a positive test.

No, not really. Read the rules. Doping is permitted. Just not enough to kill you for most athletes. For some like Bolt who the IAAF clearly feel is the face of the sport, it's a free-for-all. Lance Armstrong all over again.

Yeah, sure, you can't fail the IQ test, but even then it seems like if you have enough money you can make that go away too.

It's important to remember, as Seppelt's work shows, the IAAF is not required to open a case on every positive and there's no penalty for doing nothing. Well, except maybe missing bribes.

The US girls were willing to train to 1:58, but the the Latvians, Ukrainians and Moroccans were willing to dope to 1:57 (Bishop was 1:57 level for a while).

Doping flow chart wrote:

For many posters here it seems inconceivable that anyone successful isn't a doper.

Consistently great - doper

Inconsistently great - doper

WR holder - doper

Not fast enough to trouble WRs, but still winning - doper

Bad performance this meeting - doper (doping went wrong)

No failed tests - doper (they're too clever)

Failed tests - doper (but if I like them I excuse it)

Normal blood test results - doper (microdosing / clever administration

Abnormal blood test results - doper (despite absence of failed tests)

From a specific country with history of doping - doper

From a specific country with no history of doping - doper

From a specific ethnicity - doper

My favourite athlete - not a doper

My favoured coaching set up - not a doper

Does not look tired after a race - doper

Looks very tired after a race - doper

Looks normally tired after a race - doper (and a good actor)

Rarely gets injured - doper (improved recovery)

Recovers from injuries quickly - doper (will do anything to get back to shape)

Often gets injured - doper (too much stress on the body)

Takes a long time to come back from injury - doper (doping went wrong)

Doesn't post on twitter for a while - doper

"Looks like a doper" - doper

Beautiful, hot chick - not a doper

Acne - doper

It's so doped it took 6 days before a single championship record was beaten

exthrower wrote:

Level playing field? You can't be serious....Whoever has the most money and best doctors/drugs has the advantage..

Another terrible argument.

The same argument can be made about training.

Let me clear about this since, apparently, I have to do all the work around here. All of you anti-drug stalwarts need to let off the "level playing field" arguments because there has never been a level playing field in sports. That's not how it works.

There are some persuasive arguments against PEDs but you aren't making them.

To all of you:

I get it, everyone (yes) is a doping cheat and should be scorned and spat upon (literally) like the criminals that they are. Getting high on your own farts, eh? You think you're goddamn Galileo?

What circumstantial evidence is there pointing to someone doping instead of these goddamn appeals to mediocrity? (if you're too good, you're a doper and subhuman filth) A truckload, I guess. Just enjoy the events, and if someone gets caught, to hell with those cheaters.

I was an ardent T&F fan for two decades. But the rampant cheating left me disillusioned. This sport has become like MMA or WWF or boxing i.e sports that have no dope testing

I only follow the sport peripehrally now. Much of the American public has voted with their feet and eyes. This is the biggest factor in the decline in popularity of a sport. Nowadays at the Olympics, swimming is the TV king not track.

Drastic action needs to be taken:

1. Lifetime bans for first drug users.

2. 4 year ban for stimulant users

3. 2 year ban for abnormal blood test

4. IAAF should stop hiding abnormal blood tests

I left wrote:

I was an ardent T&F fan for two decades. But the rampant cheating left me disillusioned. This sport has become like MMA or WWF or boxing i.e sports that have no dope testing

I only follow the sport peripehrally now. Much of the American public has voted with their feet and eyes. This is the biggest factor in the decline in popularity of a sport. Nowadays at the Olympics, swimming is the TV king not track.

Drastic action needs to be taken:

1. Lifetime bans for first drug users.

2. 4 year ban for stimulant users

3. 2 year ban for abnormal blood test

4. IAAF should stop hiding abnormal blood tests

Supposedly WADA were given legal advice that a life ban would be challenged and lost. I guess they could try a test case and see but how many millions in damages would they have to pay out if they lose? British Athletics was bankrupted in the 90s by Diane Modahl's drug ban lawsuit.

I left wrote:

I was an ardent T&F fan for two decades. But the rampant cheating left me disillusioned. This sport has become like MMA or WWF or boxing i.e sports that have no dope testing

I only follow the sport peripehrally now. Much of the American public has voted with their feet and eyes. This is the biggest factor in the decline in popularity of a sport. Nowadays at the Olympics, swimming is the TV king not track.

Drastic action needs to be taken:

1. Lifetime bans for first drug users.

2. 4 year ban for stimulant users

3. 2 year ban for abnormal blood test

4. IAAF should stop hiding abnormal blood tests

This has to be one of the dumbest posts I have read on LetsRun in almost a decade.

First, you compared track to professional "wrestling" which is a theatrical production with pre-determined "winners."

Secondly, you suggest that T&F has a drug testing policy on par with Boxing and MMA. That is absolutely one of the dumbest things I have ever read on these boards.

Third, you imply that fans have left the sport because of this supposed lax doping policy. That is even dumber than your first two dumb comments. If fan have left because of drugs it is because T&F still busts people for PEDs. The NFL is--by far--the most popular sports league in the country and it is filled with PED users. Their testing policy is an absolute joke and--get ready for this--no one cares.

Hypothesis: track and field would have more fans if they just let people dope.

Finally, to round out your ridiculous post, you claim that swimming is now the TV king of the Olympics (it isn't nor is television, in this day and age, a good way to measure popularity). But, moreover you imply that swimming is a "clean" sport. Read this:

I am thankful that people like you no longer follow our sport. We need less people like you not more.

exthrower wrote:

I'm amazed a the lack of ethics/morality among the drug apologist's...Who raised these people and didn't teach them right from wrong? Cheating and lying used to be Universally condemned..

Not really surprised. Probably the same people that post all the racist sh$t on this Forum.

Coach Cookie wrote:

exthrower wrote:

I'm amazed a the lack of ethics/morality among the drug apologist's...Who raised these people and didn't teach them right from wrong? Cheating and lying used to be Universally condemned..

Not really surprised. Probably the same people that post all the racist sh$t on this Forum.

You guys are ludicrous. You realize we are talking about the rules of a game, right? We aren't talking about moral absolutes.

And, just in case you two ass-clowns are really this stupid, we live in a world where we are constantly told to use drugs to enhance our lives and performance. Pfizer makes about a billion dollars a year selling a drug to help men enhance their sex lives; those Hollywood stars that never age are doing so with the help of human growth hormone; hell, Starbucks makes $20 billion a year selling a drug that helps people wake up in the morning.

If you expect that--somehow--our athletes are going to perform without drugs when they live in a culture that turns more and more to drugs to make us think clearer, work harder and live better then you are extremely naive.

Athletes are a reflection of the culture that adores them and, to be blunt, we adore drugs.

Jerkstore, M.D. wrote:

You're really late to the party.

I've kind of assumed everyone is doping for about as long as I've been following the sport. Are you only realizing this now?

Once you make peace with that fact, watching T&F becomes fun again because you realize the playing field is level. That's been the case with me for two decades, and I'm enjoying the sport as much as I ever did.

It's not level. If you think Kenyans, Cubans, Ethiopians, Brazilians, Jamaicans and others are under the same year round testing for PEDs you are an idiot. The E. Africans are almost never tested out of season and the numbers of times they are tested in comparison with American or Japanese athletes for example is ridiculous. Green light to cheat.

Can you explain what Kip Keino was on in 1968 when he ran 3:34 at 7,000 feet... beating Jim Ryun by 3 secs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_9AAy7yZTc

Oh that EPO is exactly why the Kenyan's have been so good at distance running... It all makes sense. Marty McFly went back in time to Kenya to give Kip Keino some CERA so he could run 3:34 at altitude. East Africa's gene pool is a complete fraud.

In my opinion, the women's 1500m could go either way. First, the Ethiopian or Kenyan women NEVER ran the distance with top talent until now. Just browse through the top 100 men's times vs women's times on the All-Time list. Kenya men are 34 performances while Kenyan women are 5 performances (3 came in the last 2 years).

Why did this happen?

Well organized women's athletics was behind for the East African countries vs the rest of the world. Once they started to train, most did longer events like 5k/10k and Marathon... including the top talents such as T.Dibaba and Meseret Defar. Both those women probably could have run 3:53/54 in their primes. As we've seen the gene pool finally kick in to the MD events, we are seeing top talent do the 1500m. Genzebe wasn't even a 1500m runner until recently, she focused on longer events too...the Ethiopian model (following Yifter, Geb, Bekele, Defar, and T.Dibaba).

Also, I think the first big talent for Kenyan women was Jelimo. She was like the female Rudisha, but seemed to have issues staying healthy. She may have been able to run under 1:53 with better luck.

Just to sum up everything on my end: The women's MD events are just now seeing top East African talent do the 1500m event, so that is something to consider.