SHEEEET JUST GOT REAL!!! NIKE IS LIKE A BUNCH OF MAFIA GOONS! NO WONDER TRACK IS SO CORRUPT! DISBAND THE USATF! WE NEED FULL ACCOUNTABILITY!
SHEEEET JUST GOT REAL!!! NIKE IS LIKE A BUNCH OF MAFIA GOONS! NO WONDER TRACK IS SO CORRUPT! DISBAND THE USATF! WE NEED FULL ACCOUNTABILITY!
Precious Roy wrote:
If this is what Kara was talking about, she needs to walk it back a bit. When I heard Kara's quote, I thought Nike was cornering former NOP athletes with a battery of lawyers warning them that they will get sued if they talk or something similar. This looks to just be an incident with a hot head, type-A Nike guy blatantly crossing the line in a beef with a rival over recruiting athletes. While Capriotti's actions, if true, are indefensible, they are a far cry from Kara's implication that Nike goons were out telling people that they better watch what they say about the NOP allegations if they wanted to keep their knee caps.
+1 I thought this as well.
Goucher deserves props wrote:
Many people on these boards said that Kara Goucher was making stuff up when she claimed that people were being threatened at this meet. Turns out that she was right.
But Kara was talking about the doping story. Is Mackey involved in that? He worked for Nike in the late 2000s, no? Cap wouldn't fly off the handle at something as simple as signing a young female distance runner (fields/houlihan), would he?
Randy Oldman wrote:
malmo wrote:[Have any of you ever worked for a company that wouldn't fire Salazar and Capriotti on the spot for their violent outbursts? I've worked in offices if you even raised your voice you were gone. No questions. No second chances. Out the door. When boundaries are firmly understood, it makes it easy to have a productive, cooperative, and pleasant work environment.
I've worked in offices where people have had fist-fights, smashed computers and set someone on fire but no-one got fired as long as they made money. That's Investment Banking for you.
Saw the same thing working on the floor of the stock exchange. Where I worked the setting people on fire part was not out of anger. It was just hazing the new guy.
Question re threats wrote:
Goucher deserves props wrote:Many people on these boards said that Kara Goucher was making stuff up when she claimed that people were being threatened at this meet. Turns out that she was right.
But Kara was talking about the doping story. Is Mackey involved in that? He worked for Nike in the late 2000s, no? Cap wouldn't fly off the handle at something as simple as signing a young female distance runner (fields/houlihan), would he?
My reading is that Capriotti believed Mackey was using the NOP scandal in his recruiting of athletes to Brooks.
Nike should hire Karl Rove as Head of Public Relations to calm things down a bit.
dkny64 wrote:
Question re threats wrote:But Kara was talking about the doping story. Is Mackey involved in that? He worked for Nike in the late 2000s, no? Cap wouldn't fly off the handle at something as simple as signing a young female distance runner (fields/houlihan), would he?
My reading is that Capriotti believed Mackey was using the NOP scandal in his recruiting of athletes to Brooks.
That's not reading. That's speculation without facts.
Question to the lawyers on the board: If a group of stakeholders unhappy with USATF - athletes, agents, shoe/apparel companies other than Nike - managed to get USATF decertified, would that void Nike's right to put their uniforms on all national team members under a new national organization, or would that right survive?
I guess it depends on how the contract is written, but I'm figuring there are some lawyers on the board who know what the boilerplate language probably looks like + how courts typically handle situations like this.
Only in Track and Field could anyone take Capriotti seriously.
He's going to kill someone? Can you imagine him saying that to even 5'8" Ray Rice!!
Two sounds...Rice's fist hitting Capriotti's jaw and Capriotti's face hitting the floor.
dkny64 wrote:
Question to the lawyers on the board: If a group of stakeholders unhappy with USATF - athletes, agents, shoe/apparel companies other than Nike - managed to get USATF decertified, would that void Nike's right to put their uniforms on all national team members under a new national organization, or would that right survive?
I guess it depends on how the contract is written, but I'm figuring there are some lawyers on the board who know what the boilerplate language probably looks like + how courts typically handle situations like this.
No, the right would not survive in almost every conceivable scenario.
Characters please wrote:
click the link wrote:Since you won't go to the article I will bring the article to you.
In his role as global director of athletics, Capriotti determines where Nike’s sponsorship dollars go in the world of track and field. He has final say on Nike’s sponsorship negotiations with athlete agents, USATF and professional track meets. The VIP area overlooking the 1500-meter start at Hayward Field, where many Nike executives and their guests sit during the Olympic Trials and USATF Championships, is named “Cap’s Corner” after Capriotti.
Perfect. Now, why was Capriotti so mad? Mackey must have done something, no?
Lets all be honest. Cap had an outburst of anger, how many times have any of said "Ill kill you for that" its and expletive as you might say F U, its not a literal translation of action.For anybody to blow this up as a threat against Mackey's life is as stupid as the statement. Mackey went behind Caps back trying to steal a certain breakthrough 800 meter runner already committed to Nike.Its all a part of shoe company games in chasing athletes.
Cap blew it by addressing the issue in a public place, his beef should have taken elsewhere. Mackey is not an innocent in this mess, he is a sleaze ball that made somebody so mad he wanted to kick his backside.
Characters please wrote:
Who is John Capriotti and what does he do? Is he the person in charge of giving contracts to runners?
No, he's the guy who takes out contracts on runners that piss people off.
act now! wrote:
dkny64 wrote:My reading is that Capriotti believed Mackey was using the NOP scandal in his recruiting of athletes to Brooks.
That's not reading. That's speculation without facts.
It's certainly speculation but it's my best attempt to connect a couple of relatively low-stakes athlete signings to an unusual shouting match. This is the section of the article that led to my speculation:
Mackey claims that Capriotti told him that Mackey brought up Capriotti’s name in a meeting. Mackey, again, told Capriotti that he didn’t know what he was talking about.
Capriotti then, according to the police report, “made some statements eluding (sic) to Mackey being involved in the doping scandal that was reported just before the championships began.” Mackey responded by yelling, and a crowd of over 20 people began to form around the two.
never had an affair wrote:
malmo wrote:Have any of you ever worked for a company that wouldn't fire Salazar and Capriotti on the spot for their violent outbursts? I've worked in offices if you even raised your voice you were gone. No questions. No second chances. Out the door. When boundaries are firmly understood, it makes it easy to have a productive, cooperative, and pleasant work environment.
Yes, but this isn't a normal employee. It sounds like Capriott would know of all of the illegal PED usage by nike athletes over the years. If the Nike lab story about Rupp is true, he knows it. He knows of Athletics West doping, etc.
Capriotti is like the employee who knows the boss is having an affair. That employee can pretty much do whatever the hell they want as the know the boss will never fire them.
Capriotti has the dirt on Nike - hell maybe he produced it - but he still has it.
He's the muscle. Like Nicky (Joe Pesci) in Casino...he went too far.
Pure Speculation wrote:
Characters please wrote:Perfect. Now, why was Capriotti so mad? Mackey must have done something, no?
Lets all be honest. Cap had an outburst of anger, how many times have any of said "Ill kill you for that" its and expletive as you might say F U, its not a literal translation of action.For anybody to blow this up as a threat against Mackey's life is as stupid as the statement. Mackey went behind Caps back trying to steal a certain breakthrough 800 meter runner already committed to Nike.Its all a part of shoe company games in chasing athletes.
Cap blew it by addressing the issue in a public place, his beef should have taken elsewhere. Mackey is not an innocent in this mess, he is a sleaze ball that made somebody so mad he wanted to kick his backside.
Let's be honest. In today's society slip ups get you fired immediately. Company's don't allow any negative image being associated with their company and they protect themselves first. Cap may be looking for a new job soon..
You, sir, need to dig up the Llewellyn Starks stories about the "massage".... Someone linked to this guy should never utter the words "You're done" or "I'm going to kill you".
act now! wrote:
dkny64 wrote:My reading is that Capriotti believed Mackey was using the NOP scandal in his recruiting of athletes to Brooks.
That's not reading. That's speculation without facts.
I speculated the same thing, so don't argue semantics.
“He brought up an agent’s name when he was yelling at me,” said Mackey. “I asked that agent, ‘Did I ever bring John’s name up or Nike?’ and he said no.”
This is hard to prove, and it makes me wonder if he said something like:
"Some other companies, you don't know whether they are doing everything within the rules..."
So not naming any names, just vaguely referencing the other groups.
If I was courting an athlete that I knew was being looked at by another company, I would no doubt mention that company in some way. To say that he never even uttered the Nike brand is hard to believe.
Pure Speculation wrote:
Lets all be honest. Cap had an outburst of anger, how many times have any of said "Ill kill you for that" its and expletive as you might say F U, its not a literal translation of action.For anybody to blow this up as a threat against Mackey's life is as stupid as the statement. Mackey went behind Caps back trying to steal a certain breakthrough 800 meter runner already committed to Nike.Its all a part of shoe company games in chasing athletes.
Cap blew it by addressing the issue in a public place, his beef should have taken elsewhere. Mackey is not an innocent in this mess, he is a sleaze ball that made somebody so mad he wanted to kick his backside.
I am pretty certain that most people have never uttered "I'll kill you for that."
Even if Mackey engaged in the conduct you suggest ("trying to steal a certain breakthrough 800 meter runner already committed to Nike"), I just don't see how a verbal assault is justified. I suppose one should also point out that Cap and Nike constantly "steal" runners who have already committed to other brands.
you do realize he's coaching a nike runner currently and getting paid by them to do it.
Nike should require all their senior execs to maintain 50 miles per week or equivalent. This type of explosive behaviour is a sure sign of under-training.