Breaking: Victor Conte Claims Huge Doping Cover Up At The 1988 Olympics With Flo-Jo And Others; Corruption In WADA

Here be a bulletin wrote:

Conte's probably right even though he may not have any information to specific cases.

The position on this board, in general, which seems to be awaiting a gotcha moment on nearly every elite athlete is mindnumbingly stupid.

The turds on this board and the edumacated pinheads that run it really believe that a multiple Olympic/World champion such as Usain Bolt being outed as a PED user is a good thing for the sport?

There would be little sport to follow.

Bolt testing positive would absolutely be horrible for the sport. Damn near kill it; I don't know how it could recover.

But I rather die than live a lie.

A Bolt positive might be bad for TV, and selling shoes and all, but it would be great for the sport. I for one would be inspired to know I'm 11 hundredths less slow than I thought. I'd work on improving my 100 to cut the margin even further.

The way road racing is, is how track should be. Something people do, not watch.

NearlyHeadlessNick wrote:

Reaganomics wrote:

(ii) that you consider yourselves to be on, or close to, the cutting edge when it comes to pushing this issue, but have yet to educate yourselves on any of what's out there research-wise. You still do little but parrot WADA's perspective on things. If you did some research you'd learn that WADA isn't much more than a marketing machine for a certain type of sport.

"Ignorance is bliss" they say.

Not disputing your claim but more interested. Can you post some evidence.

Read the WADA standards. it's not hard. WADA has no authority to do anything.

Fundamentally, IOC sport has not changed one bit since Conte's athlete got a free pass. The national and international federations still picks and chooses positives.

Now they have a bunch more data whose only purpose is to have a bunch more data and to make reports about a bunch more data that no one uses. Marketing machine.

Guhgyutiu wrote:

There is no such thing as "breaking" news involving Victor Conte or anything he says. The man is completely irrelevant, has actually less than average knowledge and no special insight, and is an attention-seeking tumor in the sport. I feel sorry for anyone who takes him seriously.

Never heard of him? He was this guy that ran this lab that made some REALLY good PEDs.

USATF-bot, the personal attacks don't work.

^^LMAO you Goddamned jogger loser. Conte doesn't have the know-how to make any PEDs--his buddy Patrick Arnold made everything--the most scientific thing he ever did was pay off some ressearchers at Western Washington University to publish favorable results on the effects of ZMA. I was on the sprint forum where his fights with Trevor Graham caused his plot to come unraveled in 2003. He isn't a genius, just really conniving, and his inability to hold his operation together because he's such an attention whore that he bragged about it to anyone who would listen destroyed dozens of careers.

Guhgyutiu wrote:he bragged about it to anyone who would listen destroyed dozens of careers.

name ten

Legalize it. Its the only answer...as a matter of fact keeping steroids illegal is the EXACT system that is making it POSSIBLE to have an uneven playing field. There are enough seasoned vets in and out of track and field now that aren't afraid to talk about that stuff, the secret meetings in the 80's, to know that these aren't just ghost stories anymore, and the ACTUAL un-embellished story of what really went on is probably WORSE than some of the more fanciful versions. If you want to create an edge you price it, make it so expensive to play that it creates a natural uphill battle for those countries/athletes who lack funding. Hobby Joggers love to fill up letsrun with the term "level playing field" well take a lesson from history....Making something illegal NEVER makes the playing field even, Lets see, Prohibition, War on Drugs, Prostitution....I forgot those all worked out very well....for EVERYONE.

NearlyHeadlessNick wrote:

Reaganomics wrote:

(ii) that you consider yourselves to be on, or close to, the cutting edge when it comes to pushing this issue, but have yet to educate yourselves on any of what's out there research-wise. You still do little but parrot WADA's perspective on things. If you did some research you'd learn that WADA isn't much more than a marketing machine for a certain type of sport.

"Ignorance is bliss" they say.

Not disputing your claim but more interested. Can you post some evidence.

I don't know about marketing for specific sports, but there's a fundamental problem with WADA: it's basically run by the IOC.

It's quite like the IAAF being in charge of its doping controls. The same organisations that have much to lose from doping scandals are in charge of running the doping controls.

Pretty sickening, eh wrote:

Shockingly, johnson's test was positive for a steroid that he didn't take. He admits to roids, but denies to this day that he had never taken what he came back positive for

BJ took Winstrol (Stanozolol); he tested positive for Winstrol. He claimed--IIRC--that the test showed pure Winstrol, indicating his drink had been spiked, as opposed to metabolites only, which would have been the "normal" result; he also claimed to have discontinued Winstrol far enough out that he should not have tested positive for that. BJ is, of course, a liar, so...

great that let's run has woke up. about time.

in regard to testosterone, you can make "natural" testosterone via biosynthesis using a number of organisms. You can also increase test. production in the gut with certain probiotics.

good luck with the war on drugs. ....

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1038/sj/jim/7000243#page-1

tony the tiger wrote:

In real life scenario if Conte was a witness in a trial his word wont mean shid , so why would anyone anywhere in the world believe what Conte says ???

Victor Conte cherish the attention more than a 15 yrs old female high schooler

Wrong.

You know who has to get testimony in drug trafficking cases? Other drug dealers, often guys accused of things even worse!

You are not going to have some squeaky clean witnesses because everyone involved in that scene are all pretty scummy. Same thing with cases involving the mob. Even your best witnesses are crooks, thieves, thugs..

BigDuh wrote:

If you don't think FloJo was dirty the only Olympics you need to concern yourself is the Special Olympics 'cause you're retarded.

LOL that's both true and funny.

LetsRun.com wrote:

I have not read the article and I won't because it will probably be the same as everything else he has written, which is a lot of sensationalism. Without a doubt, Conte knows a lot of about doping, but the problem is and where he loses credibility is not being able to stick to what he knows.

In the 80s, Conte was mainly selling ZMA to bodybuilders. Btw, me and some teammates were short-term ZMA users, which is actually a good product, but one you can easily produce yourself by combining the right mix of vitamins. Conte did not enter the doping game until early 90s and was out of it by the early 2000s; in terms of naming athletes, he really should stick with the decade he knows and about tetrahydrogestrinone (THG), which is the drug he knows about. Conte has no first-hand knowledge and knows nothing about PEDs in the 80s that isn't already known about. The fact that the USA covered up some test results in the mid to late 80s is old news. It is a complicated story, but anti-doping was primarily in the hands of the USOC and the IOC at that time. Anti-doping was in its infancy and the USOC and TAC did not have the legal and administrative infrastructure procedures in place ban those athletes. That is the short and simple version of the story; however, athletes were made aware that they failed a drug test and/or had adverse findings and were told to stop taking whatever they were taking. Those athletes were retested prior to the 1988 Olympics. Btw, most of those athletes were taking over the counter drugs and by today processes would have would receive a penalty for inadvertent use. To the absolute best of my knowledge, "TAC did not any athlete to compete in the 1988 Olympics who they knew were using PEDs at that time. To imply that American track & field athletes were doping in mass in the 1980s and that the USOC and TAC were complicit in a cover-up, is an oversimplification at the very least. And, to name athletes who have never tested positive and never had any association with PEDs is blatantly unfair.

Conte is back in business selling legal Nutritional Supplements, which btw, his business, SNAC Systems Inc. is nearly bankrupt. He primarily makes a living from writing and doing interviews. Conte makes himself relevant, by finding new media outlets hoping to hear something he has not already said. Which is odd because as part of his plea deal, Conte provided over a thousand pages of testimony to the U.S. Justice Dept. outlining everything he knows, now all of a sudden, he knows a lot more. Conte has been interviewed by ABC, ESPN, USAToday, FOX, Sports Illustrated and many others smaller media outlets and still he finds more to say that he already hasn't said. Hopefully you get the point, Conte started out as an entertainer and apparently still loves the stage.

Conte has been saying this stuff since 2012, people are just finally listening...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azzhD2QJ8B0

grox wrote:

I don't know about marketing for specific sports, but there's a fundamental problem with WADA: it's basically run by the IOC.

It's not basic. That's exactly how it works.

grox wrote:

It's quite like the IAAF being in charge of its doping controls. The same organisations that have much to lose from doping scandals are in charge of running the doping controls.

IAAF is in charge of doping controls for IAAF athletes. Period. This was true at the time of Conte's anecdote and it is still true today.

WADA/NADO's perform anti-doping services for IOC and other sports federations. WADA/NADOs have no authority to sanction anyone and never did.

Finally, the title is wrong, there was no WADA at the time of Conte's anecdote and no "corruption at WADA." Again, the org that pre-dated USATF buried the positive. Today the IAAF/USATF does the burying.

Is Victor's company SNAC really nearly bankrupt? I thought he made good money liscencing ZMA to many other supplement companies.

ZMA wrote:

Is Victor's company SNAC really nearly bankrupt? I thought he made good money liscencing ZMA to many other supplement companies.

You are correct, he is not broke, but the revenues from those licensing deals are nothing for a man of his stature an ego.

So I've asked this several times and gotten no response....except for those directly involved with him in Balco has Victor Conte ever, ever produced any evidence of involvement in doping by anybody which has had independent confirmation?

Either the answer is no or people just aren't answering the question.

Exact same thing happened to Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis. They had taken on Lance Armstrong.

Ben Johnson had taken on....Carl Lewis.

The dots are not that hard to connect if you IQ is higher than your rest pulse. UCI and IAAF are not all that different in these matters.

Both cases are quite well documented. And the former 2 guy got to speak with a federal agent. Badge and piece on the interogation table. Under oath. Purger yourself and dohard time, lose everything. Be prison wife to a low-fat 300 ponder called either Bubba or Tiny.

Ben got to take the fall for all of athletics. He should get a personal retainer from Lewis and Bubka and Coe.