Georgetown coach Pat Henner resigns (but gets glowing recommendation from AD) - 7 xc meets are cancelled

Any thoughts on who will succeed him as the new coach?

I would like to challenge some of the comments made within this discussion:

I am a male who ran for a large, successful D1 program in the late 90s. I was a scholarship athlete. Distance runner. I was by no means a great runner, but I was pretty good for my conference and I was a captain my senior year - both XC and T&F.

Our hazing consisted of taking freshman out on long runs and hammering the shit out of the pace while they desperately tried to keep up (because they were scared they wouldn't be able to get home). We always had a sweeper who would follow behind to pick up and kids who really got left behind. We also had ways to humble the better runners who thought they were hot shots, but none of these things ever involved anything sexual.

I don't care how many of you say it, there is nothing normal about fondling someone else's balls in the locker room without consent. If you are gay and want to touch another guy and he is into it, fine, but I can tell you that if you came up to me and grabbed my balls in the shower, I'd not only have decked you... I would have let someone on the coaching staff know as well. I am not alone, either. I guarantee that my teammates would have done the same.

Do you think it is okay to walk into the women's locker room and start rubbing some girl's boobs? No, that is sexual assault.

There is a huge difference between telling someone that they have a small dick in the shower and physically walking over to them and touching them.

I have no idea what was on this list and I don't care. What I want to point out is that I have played sports my entire life and I have never been in a locker room situation where I was touched by another man. If I had been in that situation, it would have ended badly.

If the coach knew this was going on and turned a blind eye, he needs to go. If he didn't know, I feel bad for him.

But I am confused about all of the posts on here saying that sexual contact between men in the showers is "normal" at that age. I don't think it is normal at all. Maybe I am just misreading the posts...

+1, thank you for response

Ohhhhh brother.... wrote:

I wasn't saying "boys will be boys" I said this is not unique to Georgetown and a lot goes on without the coaches knowing. The kids live at school with each other and see their coaches a couple hours a day. My point is that a coach getting skewered for this is pointless.

I don't know what all the fuss is about. Boys will be boys in the shower. And if you're like Jerry and me, the younger the better. This is completely normal.

Are both the M/W seasons canceled? if so, why do they just say 7 meets?

Is it too hard for them to actually say Georgetown is not participating in CC in 2015?

vague doesn't work wrote:

Are both the M/W seasons canceled? if so, why do they just say 7 meets?

Is it too hard for them to actually say Georgetown is not participating in CC in 2015?

It is just the men's team and it is 7 weekends for the Cross Country and Track Teams over the course of the entire academic year according to the press release. So depending on how this is done it could be relatively minor. I assume if they were making them sit out of major competitions they would have said so ... but one never knows.

I love how everyone talks about the locker room like they've been in there. Nothing done in the locker room was done for anything more than sh*ts and giggles. No one was forced to do anything, and no one was touched in the shower. But regardless anyone claiming the "boys will be boys" card is just a weak excuse for the situation obviously has no idea what its like to live, sleep, eat and train with the same people for 10 months out of the year. You go from teammates to brotherly bond very quickly. A bond that anyone on the outside looking in may find weird. Yes, we f**k around in the locker room sometimes. Yes, we may fool around a little too much. But those same people fooling around (or performing extremely sinful acts which any EXTREMELY PRIVILEGED person should never even think about doing (how any LR troll sees it)) will be the first ones to offer help to a teammate struggling in a class. Offer advise if you're getting frustrated or having trouble with the training. Or even be there to talk to if you're having some family or personal problems.

Yeah, sh*ts and giggles. It's obviously so light-hearted and harmless that the results of the investigation conducted led to the Head Coach's 'resignation'. Ha, ha, ha. Keep it up and see if you can get some more coaches fired.

501coach wrote:

Yeah, sh*ts and giggles. It's obviously so light-hearted and harmless that the results of the investigation conducted led to the Head Coach's 'resignation'. Ha, ha, ha. Keep it up and see if you can get some more coaches fired.

So do you object to Democrats teaching children (as young as five) about sex, abortion, and homosexuality? How about taking them to Gay Pride parades were they witness homosexuals performing sexual acts on eachother?

Or you only care about what white male collegians are up to in the locker rooms? Suddenly all the liberals are upset about a scavenger list that includes licking another guy's balls? You people taught boys since they were five years old that licking another boys balls was wonderful and not to be ashamed of it. Why the double standard now? You want to drive these poor boys back into the closet? Why, because they're white males and a privileged black woman tried to use her black privilege to get revenge for having to go from 40mpw to 60mpw and it didn't work?

Your "fooling around" for "sh*ts and giggles" cost a man his job -- and likely others to come. Instead of making excuses or being defensive, why not take responsibility? Whatever happened in the locker room -- whether it was harmless or not -- has had life-changing and far-reaching repercussions that you'll never even fathom. It's impacted not just the careers of those at Georgetown, but has also had heavy emotional consequences and stress for their families and loved ones, too.

When you take a scholarship to a prestigious institution of higher education, you owe it society to use it for good. Glad you have a brotherly bond, but what else have you all done individually or as a group to make Georgetown and the world a kinder and more empathetic place? Sounds like you'll have about seven weeks to give that some thought.

How about you guys go to the local middle school and tutor some kids, or help old people shovel snow, or carry people's groceries or something?

I love how everyone talks about the locker room like they've been in there. Nothing done in the locker room was done for anything more than sh*ts and giggles. No one was forced to do anything, nobody touched each other in the shower. But regardless anyone claiming the "boys will be boys" card is just a weak excuse for the situation obviously has no idea what its like to live, sleep, eat and train with the same people for 10 months out of the year. You go from teammates to brotherly bond very quickly. A bond that anyone on the outside looking in may find weird. Yes, we f**k in the locker room sometimes. Yes, we may circle jerk a little too often. But those same people fooling around (or performing extremely sinful acts which any EXTREMELY PRIVILEGED person should never even think about doing (how any LR troll sees it)) will be the first ones to offer help to a teammate struggling in a class. Offer advise if you're getting frustrated or having trouble with the training. Or even be there to cuddle with naked at night if you're having some family or personal problems.

It seems like the locker room was not the only place this happened.

Also misconduct at team events (likely someone's apartment) so even while downplaying the seriousness of it, you're not telling the whole story.

Bottom line: it was serious enough it got reported. Serious enough for the university to be legitimately concerned and conduct a very thorough investigation.

And serious enough for a coach to resign.

If you're actually on the team, why waste your time defending yourself on LR? Actually apologize to your coach for costing him his job.

You make excellent points; if I ever had my private parts touched in a shower or against my will I would hit someone with all my might. I'm thankful that has never happened to me, and I can sympathize with real victims of real sexual harassment.

Here's the kicker: I'm on the team at Georgetown. Nobody gets "touched" or "harassed" in the showers. Nobody. Nobody is fondled or "hazed" or made to feel uncomortable. Could behavior improve or be less crude? Sure! Maybe we will ban curse words and farting in the locker room to make everyone comfortable 100% of the time. We're all certainly willing. However, any "foul play" you may believe happens in the locker room is a lie. For emphasis I will say this again: nobody is touched or whatever your imagination or lies may lead you to believe. You cannot refute this, as you are not on the team (and I am!).

What men may do in the privacy of their own rooms outside of the locker room is none of my business and none of yours, but you should know the locker room environment probably mirrors your own from the 90s.

The fact that you are being defensive as a member of the team, when clearly there was misconduct and the coach did not want to ride it out Georgetown, choosing to resign instead, is really shameful.

If the coach felt the investigation was a complete joke and the team was incredibly mature and acted appropriately, I seriously doubt he would have left on his own accord.

It doesn't matter where it was, an apartment, a locker room. It happened somewhere. It was inappropriate and immature.

Why not be more responsible and take accountability for what actually went wrong.

If you actually knew any of us, and didn't just judge from behind your computer screen, you would be made aware of the hours of service work many of us do to rightly honor our Jesuit background.

All American Collin Leibold organized a shoe drive for an all girls school in Kenya. During his undergrad years he quite literally tutored middle and high school students in poor DC neighborhoods after practice.

The class of 2016 boys shoveled and salted their entire block's walkways during the ice and snow storms in jan/feb, doing most of this work before heading off for morning runs (they live north of campus in a neighborhood of young families and elderly).

Just a quick example or two for your knowledge. Don't be so quick to judge in the future.

The press release made it very clear not every one on the team was involved. So easily people could have been bystanders. That doesn't excuse the actions of a few inviduals.

Anyone can have an accomplished resume, but in the real world, the stupid and immature actions you make can mean just as much and generate even more attention.

Just like all it takes on social media is one bad tweet and it can hurt your reputation, sexual misconduct can do the same thing.

The behavior was reprehensible and the lack of leadership, egregious. I'm glad the kids and coaches are being held responsible for their involvement (or, in the case of the coaches, lack thereof).

It's time for boys/men to wise up and realize people are holding them to a modicum of sexual restraint. It really isn't that hard to conduct onself in a civilized, decent manner. If you're not able to do iso on your own, I guess litigation/public humiliation may be the only hope.

I am glad that you responded. Honestly, the reason I posted was not to pile on to GU, but to respond to some of the posts that had been added to the thread. A few of them, included the post from a father who claims his son runs for a similar school, made light of some of the more ridiculous accusations. I stated that I had no idea what was on the list or in the video - and I do not want to know - but I do want young guys who might be in High School to know that it is not normal to get touched and harassed in a locker room. That is not typical behavior on a D1 team. You do not have to put up with that shit.

I am guessing that farting and tasteless jokes are not what went on here... I might be wrong. There seem to be a lot of "ideas" of what might have happened floating around on this thread, and from what I gather from those things, I wanted to state that you can be on a solid D1 program and never have to deal with this stuff.

I have been to sports camps, I played High School basketball, track and XC. I ran XC and Track in college. All of these situations featured "locker room environments." The worst things that I ever witnessed were dick jokes and those were usually people making comments to the guys with big dicks (as opposed to making fun of the lesser endowed). One guy in basketball would go around and piss on people's feet, but that stopped pretty quickly when someone told him to cut it out.

I can understand the idea of a ridiculous scavenger hunt. I can see it being funny as the freshman read through the list. But if someone actually started to go through the actions and was not told that it was a joke, that is on the team leadership. That is poor leadership and it is despicable. If the coach knew about it, that is even worse.

You're right, though. I am not on the team and for all I know, this was a few guys making crude jokes that were blown out of proportion. I hope that is the case for everyone involved.