4357 wrote:
Hey!!! Easy there dude! I am on your side!
Coevett wrote that!
Why are you insulting me?
Sorry, than I misinterpreted your comment! My mistake.
4357 wrote:
Hey!!! Easy there dude! I am on your side!
Coevett wrote that!
Why are you insulting me?
Sorry, than I misinterpreted your comment! My mistake.
"I have found a method which prepares me ideally for all distances from 800 to 10,000," he said not long ago. "It's a method nobody knows."
doping apologists STFU wrote:
I was paraphrasing other posts of yours I meant to say 18 not 19. so you don't know yet you make posts proclaiming he did not start "serious training" until a late age. supporting the notion that his crazy drops after moving to Italy were all natural.
haha, once again when presented with a question about the Australians and whether or not you dispute what the athletes have said you just ignore it.
I will ask you again, do you think Aouita encouraged athletes he was coaching to take PEDs? or do you think the multiple Australian athletes were lying? if you do think they were lying why did he go back to Morocco instead of defending himself?
here is a link to an article that has been linked to you before when you posted something similar to what you posted here on the board.
https://www.si.com/vault/1986/06/23/629216/two-aces-on-a-collision-course
I'm sure you are Coedeppe, but anyhow...
All infos which I have leads me to the conclusion that he started relatively late with serious training, yes. If this was at 16 or 17? I don't know. I don't believe 18 which even Robert Hartmann (best known German athletics Journalist at the time) has written at the time. If it was before 16, then that would be great, but was just not to see for me from the infos which were available to me.
"supporting the notion that his crazy drops after moving to Italy were all natural. " This stupidity explains a lot of the thinking of Coedeppe (which you most definitely are). I don't know if his drops in time in 1983 were "all natural". But this question has nothing to do with the actual times which he has run. If we accept that the times in L'Equipe, Leichtathletik, newspapers and so on are correct, then he has run the times I have given now many, many times. Changing the times (as you notorious liar have done at least 10 times now) just will not change reality. Even if he is a murderer, killer, or just the worst person on earth. If Hitler has run 1:55 at age 20 and I have to write an article about his athletic achievements, I will not change it to a 2:05 at age 27.
What I really can't understand why my thinking/opinion about some affair is so important for you Coedeppe (a notorious liar, who proclaims himself as the moralically superior on this board, who is just fighting to find out the truth!!! - with adding one lie after another for over two years now). As I have written before, this Australian affair sounds enormously curious to me. If Aouita has done as Rawlinson (and maybe others, I don't know) is saying, than this obviously doesn't put a good light on him (to say it very friendly). I'm sceptical that it has happened like this, but for sure don't really know anything about this. That he moved to Italy before his international breakthrough sounds much more dubious in context to his own achievements for me. And for sure there is not that big difference here to Coe who in 1980 also spend long times in Italy before Moscow. Yes, Coe already was world class, but also he still improved.
If Aouita's results are solely based on the heavy use of PEDs that would be very dissapointing for me, since I have followed his career from (I think) 1983 on, and was so deeply impressed by his decision to race the 800m in Seoul (which for you Coedeppe, just was an holiday competition without the presence of your lord).
But again, all this has just nothing to do that staying to the facts is much better than changing them again and aqgain like you Coedeppe. You are the liar, notoriously, again and again. Not me. A pure fact.
And I want to add one last thing: I have never tried to argue against Aouita using PEDs. I'm more an statistician and based 100% on facts (that's what you learn in mathematics). Others for sure can argue in any direction - but just on the basis of facts.
doping apologists STFU wrote:
https://www.si.com/vault/1986/06/23/629216/two-aces-on-a-collision-course
I knew this article before. Really would like to know when this reported episode from Fez happened and which kind of races they are talking about, since my goal for many years was to give a mostly complete picture of the running careers of all the WR holders.
See my site
http://thegreatdistancerunners.dewhere I have presented a few of those career records.
said88 wrote:
doping apologists STFU wrote:
I was paraphrasing other posts of yours I meant to say 18 not 19. so you don't know yet you make posts proclaiming he did not start "serious training" until a late age. supporting the notion that his crazy drops after moving to Italy were all natural.
haha, once again when presented with a question about the Australians and whether or not you dispute what the athletes have said you just ignore it.
I will ask you again, do you think Aouita encouraged athletes he was coaching to take PEDs? or do you think the multiple Australian athletes were lying? if you do think they were lying why did he go back to Morocco instead of defending himself?
here is a link to an article that has been linked to you before when you posted something similar to what you posted here on the board.
https://www.si.com/vault/1986/06/23/629216/two-aces-on-a-collision-courseI'm sure you are Coedeppe, but anyhow...
All infos which I have leads me to the conclusion that he started relatively late with serious training, yes. If this was at 16 or 17? I don't know. I don't believe 18 which even Robert Hartmann (best known German athletics Journalist at the time) has written at the time. If it was before 16, then that would be great, but was just not to see for me from the infos which were available to me.
"supporting the notion that his crazy drops after moving to Italy were all natural. " This stupidity explains a lot of the thinking of Coedeppe (which you most definitely are). I don't know if his drops in time in 1983 were "all natural". But this question has nothing to do with the actual times which he has run. If we accept that the times in L'Equipe, Leichtathletik, newspapers and so on are correct, then he has run the times I have given now many, many times. Changing the times (as you notorious liar have done at least 10 times now) just will not change reality. Even if he is a murderer, killer, or just the worst person on earth. If Hitler has run 1:55 at age 20 and I have to write an article about his athletic achievements, I will not change it to a 2:05 at age 27.
What I really can't understand why my thinking/opinion about some affair is so important for you Coedeppe (a notorious liar, who proclaims himself as the moralically superior on this board, who is just fighting to find out the truth!!! - with adding one lie after another for over two years now). As I have written before, this Australian affair sounds enormously curious to me. If Aouita has done as Rawlinson (and maybe others, I don't know) is saying, than this obviously doesn't put a good light on him (to say it very friendly). I'm sceptical that it has happened like this, but for sure don't really know anything about this. That he moved to Italy before his international breakthrough sounds much more dubious in context to his own achievements for me. And for sure there is not that big difference here to Coe who in 1980 also spend long times in Italy before Moscow. Yes, Coe already was world class, but also he still improved.
If Aouita's results are solely based on the heavy use of PEDs that would be very dissapointing for me, since I have followed his career from (I think) 1983 on, and was so deeply impressed by his decision to race the 800m in Seoul (which for you Coedeppe, just was an holiday competition without the presence of your lord).
But again, all this has just nothing to do that staying to the facts is much better than changing them again and aqgain like you Coedeppe. You are the liar, notoriously, again and again. Not me. A pure fact.
And I want to add one last thing: I have never tried to argue against Aouita using PEDs. I'm more an statistician and based 100% on facts (that's what you learn in mathematics). Others for sure can argue in any direction - but just on the basis of facts.
You really think I'm the only person on this forum who thinks Aouita was a cheater and is annoyed by it? A man with such a weird progression, co-inciding with a move to the home of blood doping and winters spent in the USA where the new HGH had come out that very year, a Belgian doctor busted for supplying PEDs and then Aouita himself chased out of Australia for strong arming his athletes to take HGH? Sadly, I do appear to be in a minority who gives a $hit about any of this, but there a small number of other moral people on this board who do care about athletics and a clean (as possible) sport.
You clearly and freely admit here that you 'don't know' if Aouita doped, but you're more concerned at my 'lies' regarding claiming that he was a consistent 3:40 runner when he ran 3:37 three times in three years??!!!
You also clearly admit that you would only be disappointed if Aouita's improvement and success was down SOLELY to heavy PED use. In other words, you accept that Aouita took peds but he was definitely a 1:47/3:37 man (occasionally) and so 4 second improvements per half-mile due to HGH and blood doping, transforming him from a B class runner we would never have heard of to an all-time great, is acceptable to you. And I'm the morally debased person here? Got it Saidipede. Have the BroJos got it too?
Sometimes this forum does sicken me. I go on MMA forums, and when doping bust are discussed such as the current Jon Jones affair there are always a minority of meat heads who say 'let them get on with it', but a clear majority are sickened by cheating through doping. Yet on a running forum, for a sport which has little display of acquired skills but is simply a demonstration of raw athletic talent, it seems the majority just want to see rocket fuelled African man racing each other with exhaust fumes coming out of their backsides (and anyone who dislikes the spectacle is a 'racist').
greatest? wrote:
Guy was a beast then when El G came on the scene he had no answer and fell off a cliff in terms of performances. Did he get psyched out?
He went through personal tradgedy when his brother Abdel, who pacemaked him in many of his world record attempts, was killed by a car in 1997. Understandably he never really recovered from this and his performances started to tail off in 1997. He also had been at the top of the world from 1991 to 1996 which is a very long streak in any era.
I love that article by Kenny Moore.
It makes me realize why Cram had such an underwhelming career and was never an Olympic Champion like Aouita. He just always rationalized not training hard.
Aouita was just relentless. A true champion.
Coevett wrote:
Sometimes this forum does sicken me. I go on MMA forums, and when doping bust are discussed such as the current Jon Jones affair there are always a minority of meat heads who say 'let them get on with it', but a clear majority are sickened by cheating through doping. Yet on a running forum, for a sport which has little display of acquired skills but is simply a demonstration of raw athletic talent, it seems the majority just want to see rocket fuelled African man racing each other with exhaust fumes coming out of their backsides (and anyone who dislikes the spectacle is a 'racist').
I want drug cheats out. This is a bad example. Jon Jones has tested positive for PEDs. Aouita has not. That explains a difference in responses. No one's called you a racist for merely wanting a clean sport - making claims like that are why you have the reputation of being a liar.
ljG wrote:
I love that article by Kenny Moore.
It makes me realize why Cram had such an underwhelming career and was never an Olympic Champion like Aouita. He just always rationalized not training hard.
Aouita was just relentless. A true champion.
Yeah, it is a classic article. I'm sure Kenny Moore got his facts right regarding Aouita winning races at junior high school in Morocco.
Cram did not have an underwhelming career. He was reaching the Olympic final at 19 when Aouita was running 3:37 once a season. He was winning European and Commonwealth Gold at 21 when Aouita was still running 3:37 once a season. He whipped Aouita in Helsinki when Aouita had very likely already began blood doping and taking HGH. He whipped him again in 85 when Aouita was very likely juiced on to another planet. Cram's Golds and his Olympic 1500 silver are greater than Aouita's one 5000m Olympic Gold and WC 5000m golds and one 800m bronze.
Aouita was not a true champion. Even if (extremely unlikely) he was clean, he was a coward for ducking Cram and Coe for so many years over the shorter blue ribband events.
Aouita the Cheater has a certain ring to it
Considering what we know about Moroccan athletes now and their record on PED abuse it seems obvious guerrouj and aouita were doped
stop spamming wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Sometimes this forum does sicken me. I go on MMA forums, and when doping bust are discussed such as the current Jon Jones affair there are always a minority of meat heads who say 'let them get on with it', but a clear majority are sickened by cheating through doping. Yet on a running forum, for a sport which has little display of acquired skills but is simply a demonstration of raw athletic talent, it seems the majority just want to see rocket fuelled African man racing each other with exhaust fumes coming out of their backsides (and anyone who dislikes the spectacle is a 'racist').
I want drug cheats out. This is a bad example. Jon Jones has tested positive for PEDs. Aouita has not. That explains a difference in responses. No one's called you a racist for merely wanting a clean sport - making claims like that are why you have the reputation of being a liar.
Aouita was not subjected to the tests Jon Jones has had. Jones maintains he never intentionally cheated, and to a degree he has been believed by the anti-doping authorities and hence he is back in the octagon this weekend. The circumstantial evidence that Aouita doped is pretty overwhelming.
Jones was never caught pressing other athletes under his charge to cheat and take drugs. Jones never transformed himself overnight into an all-time great. Jones may be a cheat, and his success largely due to drugs, but he at least does display incredible technique that isn't solely the result of drugs.
Both are despicable, it's hard to choose who is worse, but I know that it's odd that in MMA forums Jones will get condemned more readily for doping than Aouita will here. You also miss the point that most of Aouita's defenders here (like the Saidipede) don't deny he took peds, but just don't care because 'he was a marvellous sight'.
Yes people call me a racist for calling a spade a spade and highlighting Africa, and in particular (these days) East Africa as the chief problem (which has been proven right beyond doubt this year - but hasn't stopped me being accused of racism). They ignore the fact that I've almost equally been critical of East Germans such as Beyer.
Coevett wrote:
stop spamming wrote:
I want drug cheats out. This is a bad example. Jon Jones has tested positive for PEDs. Aouita has not. That explains a difference in responses. No one's called you a racist for merely wanting a clean sport - making claims like that are why you have the reputation of being a liar.
Aouita was not subjected to the tests Jon Jones has had. Jones maintains he never intentionally cheated, and to a degree he has been believed by the anti-doping authorities and hence he is back in the octagon this weekend. The circumstantial evidence that Aouita doped is pretty overwhelming.
Jones was never caught pressing other athletes under his charge to cheat and take drugs. Jones never transformed himself overnight into an all-time great. Jones may be a cheat, and his success largely due to drugs, but he at least does display incredible technique that isn't solely the result of drugs.
Both are despicable, it's hard to choose who is worse, but I know that it's odd that in MMA forums Jones will get condemned more readily for doping than Aouita will here. You also miss the point that most of Aouita's defenders here (like the Saidipede) don't deny he took peds, but just don't care because 'he was a marvellous sight'.
Yes people call me a racist for calling a spade a spade and highlighting Africa, and in particular (these days) East Africa as the chief problem (which has been proven right beyond doubt this year - but hasn't stopped me being accused of racism). They ignore the fact that I've almost equally been critical of East Germans such as Beyer.
You acknowledge yourself that the situations aren't the same, which is what I tried to point out to you when I explained why the responses aren't the same. Jones tested positive, full stop. I don't know if Aouita cheated but I'd imagine he did. I KNOW Jones did, so f*ck that guy. It's not hard to choose which is worse.
You are a racist for saying racist things, not because you want clean sport. It's intellectually dishonest to claim the latter, but intellectual dishonesty is your calling card.
Coevett wrote:
Yes people call me a racist for calling a spade a spade and highlighting Africa, and in particular (these days) East Africa as the chief problem
No, you turd for a brain.
People call you a racist because you are one:
Coevett wrote:
Why is just Muslims and Turkish German benefit scroungers who persist in trumpeting obvious dopers?
That's from here:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9155970&page=6First time I was aware of Aouita was 1978 world junior XC because there's a photo of him I think leading up the first hill at Bellahouston. He finished either last or second last. Great talent!
I would bet the house that Cram would dope before Aouita.
Aouita = Olympic Champion
Cram = RunnerUp Chump
Remember, it is Cram who defended dopers and defended Mo Farah missing his drug tests. Says he did the same thing -
Cram sounds like an egotistical loser and child. Check his reaction, calling Mo "a distance runner"... yeah, maybe you should have been better sucker -
lkjlk wrote:
Cram sounds like an egotistical loser and child. Check his reaction, calling Mo "a distance runner"... yeah, maybe you should have been better sucker -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/10192509/Steve-Cram-stunned-after-losing-British-1500m-record-to-Mo-Farah.html
Hi Bernard.
Blacko wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Yes people call me a racist for calling a spade a spade and highlighting Africa, and in particular (these days) East Africa as the chief problem
No, you turd for a brain.
People call you a racist because you are one:
Coevett wrote:
Why is just Muslims and Turkish German benefit scroungers who persist in trumpeting obvious dopers?
That's from here:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9155970&page=6
I didn't know that Muslims were a race.
Do you want me to pull the quote where you (posting as jkjkjk or whatever) claim to be a contemporary of Meb, and again the other day claimed to be an elite Kenyan American runner who is/was regularly tested?
It is interesting that the two most strident and aggressive denialists of a doping problem in Kenya are El K (who could be a Kenyan competing in Venezuela) and yourself, who claims to be an elite Kenyan American runner from the EPO era who is still competing today.
TomCruise wrote:
well,. wrote:
What was his heart scared of?
Dental issues? That's s new one. Details?
I take a PED cocktail to look fit snd young, dont want to look like a meth head.
Lol ?