Jenna Prandini The First White 200m American Sprint Champion Since 1953

Hibiscus wrote:

Throwing more fuel into the fire.

Pietro Mennea - Italian sprinter who held 200m record for 17 years.

Jenna Prandini - White sprinter of Italian heritage who is now 200m sprint champion.

Coincidence of the Italian heritage?

No secret many southern Italians have more melanin in their bloodstream than the average white person.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule but does Jenna's Italian heritage mean anything as part of her success?

Mennea is nowhere near the talent of Lemaitre (look at the 100, 200 combinations)

Prandini is nowhere near the talent of Privalova (10.77 & 21.87)

Man you liked your "conceptually incarcerated" construct so well that you gave yourself a + as a handle, but that wasn't enough for you, then you had to start a new thread, to give it more attention.As far as your post, I agree with some parts. Yes, appreciate her run, a winning effort at a national championship.Refusing to mention something, obvious to all, such as her being the only white girl in the race AND the first white girl in years to win the 200 seems to me a bit "conceptually incarcerated". Its OK to think it and to say it. No one is offended.Would you feel the same way if it was mentioned that a winning ice racer was black? I am guessing you would not. Conceptually incarcerated, I like the construct.

+ wrote:

Here we go again.

Pointing out that she is white buys into self defeating stereo types.

Appreciate her run for what it was. A winning effort at a national championship. That is plenty significant.

Everytime someone notes the fastest white sprinter or first non-African under 27:00 in the 10,000m, etc, etc, etc, they are buying into stereo types that limit them. They are conceptually incarcerated.

Great champions don't spent *any* time thinking about or looking at lists or rankings of where they stand based on their race. The believe they can compete with everyone. Raced based performance comparisons are trivial at best, and at worst, serve to continue to divide us human beings.

um what? wrote:

Hibiscus wrote:

Throwing more fuel into the fire.

Pietro Mennea - Italian sprinter who held 200m record for 17 years.

Jenna Prandini - White sprinter of Italian heritage who is now 200m sprint champion.

Coincidence of the Italian heritage?

No secret many southern Italians have more melanin in their bloodstream than the average white person.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule but does Jenna's Italian heritage mean anything as part of her success?

Mennea is nowhere near the talent of Lemaitre (look at the 100, 200 combinations)

Prandini is nowhere near the talent of Privalova (10.77 & 21.87)

I disagree.

Mennea was very talented. He was an Olympic champion and world champion, to boot. At the 80 Olympics in the 200m, he ran down reigning champion Don Quarrie and 100m champion, Wells. Has LeMaitre ever done that to any reigning champions in ANY race???

Concerning Privalova, even though she has denied using drugs, she has been accused many times and the cloud has always hung over her head. So, yeah, until Prandini has been accused, I will keep her in the clear.

Hibiscus wrote:

Coincidence of the Italian heritage?

No secret many southern Italians have more melanin in their bloodstream than the average white person.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule but does Jenna's Italian heritage mean anything as part of her success?

This is myth put out by northern Italian nationalist parties.

Multiple studies have concluded that the amount of negroid (scientific term) DNA of southern Italians is typical of northern Italians and other Europeans.

Southern Italians have darker skin because it's sunnier.

I believe Prandini's family originates from the Milan area.

Privalova competed for the Unified Team back in 1992. There is no way that she was clean, coming out of a system that doped its female athletes from their early teenage years, and Gwen Torrence accused her and Devers of doping then, but she was never caught. She has times like 5.96 in the 50 and a gold medal in the 400mH in 2000, as well as bronze (now silver thanks to Marion Jones's admission) in the 4x4 in 2000, and much more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irina_Privalova

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-03-24/sports/sp-460_1_doping

http://joepapp.blogspot.com/2010/03/fromt-he-archives-former-sports.html

The last link indicates the findings of a 1972 report circulated in the Soviet Union concerning the efficacy of various doses of Dianabol, a steroid, in various sports. It also says some interesting things about drugs: drug testing was conducted for research purposes only in 1968 after performance enhancing drugs or techniques were banned in 1967. But there wasn't a test for steroids until 1974, when they specifically banned them. In 1972, a poll conducted at the Munich Olympics indicated that an astonishing 68% of track and field athletes had used steroids.

Wha?? Blacks have only been allowed to vote for 40+ years? No one else is challenging this? 15th Amendement of 1870 anyone? "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

Yes, many ways were then devised to disenfranchise black votes, and the 1965 Voting Rights Act certainly helped, but others would argue that there are still plenty of obstacles: SCOTUS 2013 (Shelby). But, it has not been JUST 40+ years..

Do you think she'll get paid more for being white?

Italy tired to buy her for the worlds.

I've read about half the thread.

I'll tell you why it's relevant. Biases exist.

I take my team to a meet. My sprinter sees a black kid in the heat with them and maybe 4 times out of 5 has lost the race before the race even starts because my sprinter believes that the dark skin color always comes attached to blazing speed. I then have to trot out my tired old story about watching Reggie Bush get smoked in the state meet by a white kid named Matt Bruno (forget trying to trot out ol' Casey Combest of Kentucky) from Trabuco Hills and not to assume that anyone is going to beat anyone else just because the color of the contestants' skin.

It's relevant because certain races/ethnicities get pigeonholed into certain sports. I had a white kid come out for the cross country team because someone had told him that soccer at our school was a Mexican sport. He decided to play soccer this year and I say good for him. When I was in high school, our entire badminton team was Vietnamese.

It's absolutely relevant in terms of the broader goal of having a society of truly equal opportunities. Georgane (sp?) Moline and Sally Pearson are also important to this goal was Arthur Ashe in Tennis and Tiger Woods in Golf.

Randy Oldman wrote:

Hibiscus wrote:

Coincidence of the Italian heritage?

No secret many southern Italians have more melanin in their bloodstream than the average white person.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule but does Jenna's Italian heritage mean anything as part of her success?

This is myth put out by northern Italian nationalist parties.

Multiple studies have concluded that the amount of negroid (scientific term) DNA of southern Italians is typical of northern Italians and other Europeans.

Southern Italians have darker skin because it's sunnier.

I believe Prandini's family originates from the Milan area.

Po Valley. Very beautiful, very expansive.

A lot like the Central Valley of California without the stench of the California Crazies.

The title of this conversation -

RE: Jenna Prandini The First White 200m American Sprint Champion Since 1953 -

is incorrect.

She's the first white female 200m American Sprint Champion Since 1953.

The last white 200m American Sprint Champion prior to Jenna, was Ben Vaughn in 1970.

Yeah, that's nice. More speculation without any proof. It's speculated that 100% of women that have run under 11:00 have been doping. Who knows who's not, and who is. There is no damn way to know!!! As it is, this woman has run 10.77 and that's that..

Let's see here she ran for a federation that restricted the freedom of their citizens and was known to throw people in jail for any acts of defiance against the state. Yet she could resist her coaches to take whatever PEDS they thought would make her into a champion. Yes totally logical.

IJS wrote:

historic firsts like the 1st black president when blacks had only been allowed to vote 40+ years prior. .

wut??

Drugs,Drugs,Drugs! wrote:

Let's see here she ran for a federation that restricted the freedom of their citizens and was known to throw people in jail for any acts of defiance against the state. Yet she could resist her coaches to take whatever PEDS they thought would make her into a champion. Yes totally logical.

Sounds very much like present day US. It's all so logical.

questioner of things wrote:

Why couldn't he write about it?

read this thread.

Jenna is fast and fine but I need the entire women's steeple team in my hot tub...PRONTO!!!

People sometimes try and extrapolate too much about what precisely one person does or manages to do.

That Bowie Women who won the 100 looks like a man and most def is on the Roids