so saddened wrote:
And how did Salazar know how to stay under threshold?
Because he has an in-house lab that can conduct the same tests as the drug testers.
so saddened wrote:
And how did Salazar know how to stay under threshold?
Because he has an in-house lab that can conduct the same tests as the drug testers.
Alberto Has ED wrote:
sooo ok wrote:If it is, why do they take it?
Maybe you should call Alberto and notify him of your study findings. I'm sure your research is extensive.
What proof do you have that they take it, as opposed to Alberto simply bullsh*tting about taking it because its name sounds similar enough to what the chart actually says, which is testosterone?
I wasn't questioning Salazar, I was questioning the amateur chemist who said it didn't work.
It's morning, you should pull your nose out of Alberto's choad and breathe some fresh air, you'll think better.
Disclaimer: I think NOP likely closer to cheats than working in the "grey area." Maybe, I don't really know. I go back and forth.That said, has anyone brought up how unbelievably hokey that photo looks? Any middle schooler could produce that in an hour. Is this really the damning evidence they have?!
TestoBullsh8t wrote:
Well here's a picture of it for starters.
Er... wrote:
Disclaimer: I think NOP likely closer to cheats than working in the "grey area." Maybe, I don't really know. I go back and forth.
That said, has anyone brought up how unbelievably hokey that photo looks? Any middle schooler could produce that in an hour. Is this really the damning evidence they have?!
What's damning is that Salazar didn't point out that it is a fake - he's identified it as Rupp's chart and offered an explanation. Who are we to argue that it is a fake if Salazar has identified it as genuine?
Er... wrote:
That said, has anyone brought up how unbelievably hokey that photo looks? Any middle schooler could produce that in an hour. Is this really the damning evidence they have?!
Nice try, but Alberto already admitted the photo is real by claiming that the "testosterone" is a typo for "testoboost" - which is an impotence supplement like Extenze marketed by internet hucksters.
Will Magness be sued for a HIPAA violation since the test on the paper is arguably a medical test, and of a minor, at that?
Allegedly Salazar said it was Testoboost.
Looby wrote:
Will Magness be sued for a HIPAA violation since the test on the paper is arguably a medical test, and of a minor, at that?
The story ran in the UK. I know many Americans are terrible at geography, but, FYI, American rules don't apply in the UK.
Photographic Evidence wrote:
Er... wrote:That said, has anyone brought up how unbelievably hokey that photo looks? Any middle schooler could produce that in an hour. Is this really the damning evidence they have?!
Nice try, but Alberto already admitted the photo is real by claiming that the "testosterone" is a typo for "testoboost" - which is an impotence supplement like Extenze marketed by internet hucksters.
Why do you keep reposting this false information? It only creates fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
Oh, wait....
runDirtyrun wrote:
Looby wrote:Will Magness be sued for a HIPAA violation since the test on the paper is arguably a medical test, and of a minor, at that?
The story ran in the UK. I know many Americans are terrible at geography, but, FYI, American rules don't apply in the UK.
Our Geographical Genius -
Regardless of the fact that it ran in the UK, it IS visible in the U.S. and was made available by a U.S. citizen, who lives in the U.S. (yes, Texas is part of the U.S.) and that does have potential legal liability associated with it.
It's visible in the U.S. but the server is in the UK, mate.
Tis Correct wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:This is incorrect, at least by Magness' account. Salazar told Magness to review the stack of reports containing that document.
No, you are incorrect. Otherwise Salazar would not have claimed to Magness, "oops, that was testoboost not testosterone." That report was not supposed to be there.
From the Propublica article:
"One month after the mystery pills, Magness was sitting at his cubicle on the Nike campus when documents from the on-campus lab were delivered to Salazar's nearby desk. The lab documents contained years' worth of athletes' blood testing records, which were used to see how runners responded to altitude training meant to boost their levels of oxygen-carrying hemoglobin. According to Magness, Salazar told him to peruse the records and share his observations."
The report was supposed to be there, at least by Magness' account.
so if it wasn't testosterone, but testoboost... my question is, why did Alberto have a 16 year old taking a sex drive booster?
then... wrote:
so if it wasn't testosterone, but testoboost... my question is, why did Alberto have a 16 year old taking a sex drive booster?
Because it supposed to boost testosterone?
It's that whole NOP gray area, the letter v. the spirit of the law, thing. You know, "The USADA says we can't take EPO, so let's build some houses that will trick our bodies into producing more EPO on their own. That will be the same as cheating, except it's not!"
Or maybe you are just trying to entrap us into an online discussion of the sex-life of a 16 year old?
then... wrote:
so if it wasn't testosterone, but testoboost... my question is, why did Alberto have a 16 year old taking a sex drive booster?
So his athletes never test positive. Let's imagine it wasn't exogenous Test.
He's got to try it on someone not WADA-affiliated and see if there was anything in it that would come up positive in a test. For example, DHEA is a popular additive to "recovery" supplements and may not be listed in the ingredients. There's a reliable test for DHEA...
Let's imagine it was exogenous Test. (It was) He's got to figure out dosages that don't cross 4:1 T:E ratio.
Exogenous Test is great stuff and easy to never test positive and get great results/recovery. Test supplements can be mildly effective, but very high risk for banned ingredients.
then... wrote:
so if it wasn't testosterone, but testoboost... my question is, why did Alberto have a 16 year old taking a sex drive booster?
Because Galen had a TUE for Erectile Dysfunction?
Man Overboard wrote:
Tis Correct wrote:No, you are incorrect. Otherwise Salazar would not have claimed to Magness, "oops, that was testoboost not testosterone." That report was not supposed to be there.
From the Propublica article:
"One month after the mystery pills, Magness was sitting at his cubicle on the Nike campus when documents from the on-campus lab were delivered to Salazar's nearby desk. The lab documents contained years' worth of athletes' blood testing records, which were used to see how runners responded to altitude training meant to boost their levels of oxygen-carrying hemoglobin. According to Magness, Salazar told him to peruse the records and share his observations."
The report was supposed to be there, at least by Magness' account.
No, that report wasn't supposed to be there. Keep trying. It is interesting to see the fans of the NOP working overtime to justify the always presumed clean program is allowed to not be clean, at least as long as they can hide it from the official drug testers.
then... wrote:
so if it wasn't testosterone, but testoboost... my question is, why did Alberto have a 16 year old taking a sex drive booster?
Maybe the testoboost was laced with real testosterone, in a secret AlSal-access only lab, to convince the athletes using something that that something was allowed by the WADA.
Testobooster wrote:
then... wrote:so if it wasn't testosterone, but testoboost... my question is, why did Alberto have a 16 year old taking a sex drive booster?
Because Galen had a TUE for Erectile Dysfunction?
What 16 year old has trouble getting erections? None. A stiff wind is enough to solve the problem.
Why did that idiot from the BBC not do his experiment with androgel instead of EPO. since no one is accused of using EPO and the only illegal thing in the documentary was Testosterone.
I am a total NOP fanboy before anyone starts