Good News for Ritz: WADA Issues Statement on NOP L-carnitine usage - Doping Rules NOT Broken with 2011 Advice

Let's get it clear that Magness did not leave on his own terms. He was quite incompetent as an intern at NOP and they did not renew his employment.

Chemistry teacher wrote:

After this report came out, I went into my chemistry lab and pulled out a syringe just to get a visual on how much product 50mL actually is and was quite shocked. That's a lot of product that's being administered every 6 hours (if taken every 6 hours)!

How many different things can be taken at 50ml every six hours? Can two, three, four, or more "supplements" be taken? The WADA rules do not state 50ml combined total, so 50ml of each thing seems like a loophole NOP make use of.

Leirbag wrote:

Let's get it clear that Magness did not leave on his own terms. He was quite incompetent as an intern at NOP and they did not renew his employment.

Let's get it clear that YOU are not a NOP boss or work for NOP HR. If you did you would no that publicly releasing personnel matters would be reason for YOUR termination.

Dumb gets dumber wrote:

IMO wrote:

A runner or coach that is willing to get that close to the legal line, where they have to ask SPECIFIC questions of WADA, is probably more than willing to cross that line when they are confident they cannot get caught.

Consulting WADA / USADA before ingesting substances is nothing new and nothing to get your panties in a bunch over.

I know many runners who won't even take an over the counter cold medication or analgesic until they have consulted the WADA / USADA websites to make sure it is safe to take

Please stick to facts and stop trying to rationalize fantasy scenarios in your pea brain

Nice attack but you missed the point.

AlSal didn't merely ask if the supplement was legal or not. He had to ask SPECIFIC questions on how to take it and how much could be taken. Again, if he is willing to go that far to enhance performance, how far is willing to go if he is confident he can get away with breaking the rules?

IMO wrote:

...how far is willing to go if he is confident he can get away with breaking the rules?

So far, Salazar has used an Altitude House, and L-Cartinine, before WADA ruled whether they should be allowed. These are just the tip of Salzar's iceberg.

By USADA? By the USATF? By the IAAF? If not, then it doesn't matter.

the italians are coming! wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Was the altitude house ever banned by WADA?

No, but they've been banned by quite a few national ADAs.

Yes, you missed the 2009 link (still at WADAs site) I provided above. Look for yourself at WADAs website, at the 2009 list, and the accompanying summary of modifications. The rule was clarified in 2009. 2009 is before 2011. 2012 just clarified in the list, what was established in 2009, as explained in the summary.

I Don't Speak English, But wrote:

anyone wrote:

So, once again, there is ZERO evidence that NOP broke the law.

The evidence is:

1) The published WADA rules in 2011 (still online) confirm that infusions of any kind are illegal. All IAAF athletes were held to this threshold.

2) NOP and Salazar admit they used infusions at that time.

3) The published 2012 rules changed to create a threshold for infusions.

4) WADA retroactively states NOP was not in violation of the 2011 rule in 2011 because the rule was relaxed in 2012.

Am I missing anything here?

P.S. Ignorance of the law is no defense for breaking the law. Nor is bureaucratic manipulation after the fact.

So far we have ... nothing banned. Salazar may be flirting with the boundaries of the spirit of fair play, but so far this "iceberg" is nothing close to an antidoping rule violation.

So far we have... wrote:

IMO wrote:

...how far is willing to go if he is confident he can get away with breaking the rules?

So far, Salazar has used an Altitude House, and L-Cartinine, before WADA ruled whether they should be allowed. These are just the tip of Salzar's iceberg.

I've always wondered if the BroJo's could contact USADA under the Freedom of Information Act and post old test results of different athletes. This is frequently done in boxing and MMA, with the results posted on websites.

I'd be interested to see blood profile data, as well as testosterone, etc. It would be interesting to see the different values in different athletes.

Edification wrote:

this is dreative wrote:

They lure the dumb and uneducated to their site, ...hoping this will keep...idiots following...

Err, it seems to be working, not only are you following you're also participating, does it make you wonder exactly who the "dumb and uneducated" are on this site?

Also, would you please provide a link which shows the "fact" that "most professionals are drug tested once a month", thanks.

Talking about "dumb and uneducated" here's a "fact" for 'dreative', some "are drug tested once a month" not "most":

rekrunner wrote:

Yes, you missed the 2009 link (still at WADAs site) I provided above. Look for yourself at WADAs website, at the 2009 list, and the accompanying summary of modifications. The rule was clarified in 2009. 2009 is before 2011. 2012 just clarified in the list, what was established in 2009, as explained in the summary.

I Don't Speak English, But wrote:

The evidence is:

1) The published WADA rules in 2011 (still online) confirm that infusions of any kind are illegal. All IAAF athletes were held to this threshold.

2) NOP and Salazar admit they used infusions at that time.

3) The published 2012 rules changed to create a threshold for infusions.

4) WADA retroactively states NOP was not in violation of the 2011 rule in 2011 because the rule was relaxed in 2012.

Am I missing anything here?

P.S. Ignorance of the law is no defense for breaking the law. Nor is bureaucratic manipulation after the fact.

"Am I missing anything here?" - Yes, it would appear so.

Hahaha. What?

Freedom of Information Act? Ever heard of HIPAA?

I don't care if it is banned or not. I have one simple question.

Do all pro coaches inject their athletes? Do Hansons or Jerry or any other coaches ever personally stick a syringe of "anything" into their athletes?

I thought HIPAA would be an issue but some athletic commissions will email you results if you email them a request.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/23/7880561/official-documents-from-jon-jones-daniel-cormier-ufc-182-drug-test

Who's dumb and uneducated? wrote:

Talking about "dumb and uneducated" here's a "fact" for 'dreative', some "are drug tested once a month" not "most":

http://www.usada.org/testing/results/athlete-test-history/

In 2014 there were 15 track and field athletes tested 12 or more times out of 503 athletes and 1187 total tests conducted by USADA.

IMO wrote:

Nice attack but you missed the point.

AlSal didn't merely ask if the supplement was legal or not. He had to ask SPECIFIC questions on how to take it and how much could be taken. Again, if he is willing to go that far to enhance performance, how far is willing to go if he is confident he can get away with breaking the rules?

Another LetsRun world record in the logic triple jump. People who take things and don't clarify supplement use are dumb/idiots when they fail a test as a result. However, somehow asking specific questions on what you can do is also bad? Your logic is horrible as is your very thinly veiled accusation posed as a question?

"The coach is the boss at the end of the day," Farah says, after his workout. "I do whatever he tells me and don't ask questions."

http://m.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/mo-the-marathoner

I'm No Doctor, But wrote:

"medical practice..."

Since when is injecting anything with the desired result of improving athletic performance a medical practice?

How can any medical practice used in hopes of gaining a performance benefit legal or moral?

Isn't a medical practice used solely for medical reasons?

Every medical practice comes with risks. In my mind, this calls into question Dr. Texas' standing as a medical practitioner...

Do no harm?

Whatever AlSal says... wrote:

"The coach is the boss at the end of the day," Farah says, after his workout. "I do whatever he tells me and don't ask questions."

http://m.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/mo-the-marathoner

Golden rule No.1, always cover your own arse.