HardIoper wrote:
What was he wearing?
Didn't watch the race, but I assume sunglasses.
HardIoper wrote:
What was he wearing?
Didn't watch the race, but I assume sunglasses.
jxjxjx wrote:
So why didn't he run the 1:50-51 that you are taking about? 55 is on pace for that.
Because he had no idea what he was doing.
did anyone else think he looked odd out there? as a 200m/400m guy, i suppose that's the point.
that he was able to make 1:53 look so slow probably bodes well, but it's hard for my brain to reconcile with my eyes. he also looked to have no explosiveness that last 150 though he easily pushed beyond everyone else in his heat (and i suppose it also bears considering that that's twice the distance he's used to to racing).
oh well, if this takes him back close to the top of his game, it'd be nice to see.
caesarsghost wrote:
He just ran 1:53 flat. I was listening to the audio on Flo. The video didn't work.
You pay for it and it still didn't work? or was it free?
didyoupay wrote:
caesarsghost wrote:He just ran 1:53 flat. I was listening to the audio on Flo. The video didn't work.
You pay for it and it still didn't work? or was it free?
I paid for it and it didn't work.
The replay works on Flotrack.
It was better than the Raleigh Relays where race coverage included the back of people's heads and long close ups of the person in 5th while the front of the race concluded out of site.
you could have told me he just ran 2:03 and i would've believed it. looked like he was jogging.
yarbles wrote:
did anyone else think he looked odd out there?
Yeah I though that too. But not odd like in weird or eccentric, but odd like in "the odd one out". Most of the others were using a much faster cadence from the start, and as a result looked like they labored quite a bit more. Wariner just cruised away with a relaxed stride. He was probably far out of his element there, leisurely jogging away instead of sprinting from the blocks...
Makes me think maybe stride length really should be the primary focus when looking for improvements in the 800m. After all, cadence gets quickly maxed out..
I noticed his slow cadence too. Looks to be around 180 steps/minute, which is pretty low for 800m. I think this is why he looked like he was slow. Some people say Rudisha is well above 200/minute, and Wariner is almost 240/minute over 400m:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6147349
I suspect this low cadence is common among sprinters when running slower runs. I know when I first switched to longer running, I was taking big loping strides. Sprinters change their cadence to slow down because using a high cadence at slow paces makes it feel like your form is messed up, more like a shuffle than a run.
Rudisha is known for a slow stride rate too. He might go over 200/minute the second lap, but that's because racing the 800m is like running up a hill that gets gradually steeper. First lap is run with very slow turnover for 5x seconds
Wariner looks to have a lot of potential here. If he started quicker and learned to turn over faster the second lap that's 1:47 right there (assuming he does the endurance training to hold on). I hope he runs more 800m races.
No doubt JW was incredibly smooth. However, did anyone else think he looked larger than usual? Definitely did not look as lean as years past.
To me this race proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he could have had the 800 WR in his prime.
After watching the race I agree with those who suspect he's capable of sub 1:50 this season. Get him into a faster race with guys running 50 seconds on that first 400 and let him draft off that pace.
BTW - lost in all this, did anyone notice that Duane Solomon ran a 3:49 1500?
Come on.....there are HS guys dropping 1:50 and that is their second race of the day. He is a pro runner that barely beat a few scrubs. He doesn't have it in the tank mentally or physically. He should of ran the 800 two years ago.
Smaller, faster strides are more efficient but for 800/1500 the stride length is so short compared to 400 that its probably impossible to shorten the stride enough. Looks like Wariner just did an extended 400m workout with a sprinters stride length.
This race doesn't go into the full effort category as he clearly could have gone faster.
hulksmash wrote:
jxjxjx wrote:So why didn't he run the 1:50-51 that you are taking about? 55 is on pace for that.
Not all questions are stupid but yours is dangerously close. Link to video can be found right here on this page, you could maybe watch the race and make that determination yourself.
How is my question so stupid? It was just a question. There's no need to insult me.
What's stupid is you typing all of that but not answering my question. If I wanted to watch the video to get my answer, don't you think I would have done that instead of asking you?
Ran to win.. wrote:
Rudisha has run a 49.28 opening lap. He was on pace to sub 1:38.6. why did he fail to break 1:39, and even 1:40?
How am I supposed to know? My first guess would be because he wasn't in 1:38.6 shape.
He is clearly done by letsrun standards. Here is what I have gathered on letsrun in the last few weeks.
Bolt wins a 400m race in a slow time and of course, he's done.
Rudisha wins an 800 in a slow time and naturally, he's done.
Wariner runs a 800m race as a workout and he's done.
It's world record or bust around here.
Ohio coach wrote:
Come on.....there are HS guys dropping 1:50 and that is their second race of the day. He is a pro runner that barely beat a few scrubs. He doesn't have it in the tank mentally or physically. He should of ran the 800 two years ago.
You should of stayed in school.
would of wrote:
Ohio coach wrote:Come on.....there are HS guys dropping 1:50 and that is their second race of the day. He is a pro runner that barely beat a few scrubs. He doesn't have it in the tank mentally or physically. He should of ran the 800 two years ago.
You should of stayed in school.
I like that you went out of your way to correct his grammar, but missed the mistake in the word immediately following your citation.
This is a serious issue on LRC. RUN IS THE PAST-PARTICIPLE OF RUN. The sentence should read: "He should HAVE RUN," not "He should of ran."
Ran is 'simple past' [preterite] only. When you use a 'has done' or 'have done' construction, you're using the present perfect, which requires a past-participle, and for the verb 'to run' that past-participle is 'run.'
that looked EASY wrote:
wow hahaha! he slows down to a near jog to let the last of the guys who pass him on the backstretch go by at 600m, then glances over his shoulder to make sure doesn't cut anyone off & hops out into lane 2. proceeds to pass back the nearly the entire field in lane 2 from 150 out, looking smooth the whole way in. that was not a guy racing/time-trialing for a fast time. it was a workout, and he made 1:53 look pretty easy.
on one hand he may not have the 200m speed of guys like James or Merritt anymore. but i seriously doubt those guys have the strength to do something similar to this at 800m right now. i am excited to see JW in the 400m now.
I agree..That did look easy. I wish the video was better so it was easier to get some better splits. I'm not sure how much he slowed down from 500-600m vs how much everyone else sped up.