Lagat 7:37 for 3000 world indoor over 40 record.

Again, Lagat, the 3000m NCAA champion, is faster now, at age 40 and 2 months, than he was in College. This is completely off the scale. No simple genetic advantage can explain that (although his genes should be studied also).

I really hope that science will be able to benefit from his "experiment"

Think Formula 1 auto racing. Passionate engineers spend countless hours developing funky stuff. This is financed by companies, watched by millions and done in a competitive setting, which fosters the best ideas from the best engineers.

First you see the technology in Formula 1. Soon after, you see the same/similar technology being applied in my car and yours. What a terrific test bed.

Athletes across the world are also doing the same (with their bodies). Some completely fail, but others (like Lagat) got it right.

This information is more readily available now than it was 40 years ago, but it could be made more available.

I would love for the over 40 racing to be one of those test beds. How can one maintain/improve fitness and body health the longest... At the top end of feasibility...

At age 40 (or 36) do away with the arbitrary WADA rules... Watch races, where athletes can openly discuss their "supplement" program... (Kind of like Formula 1, where engineers discuss the improvements they did on the car). The unfortunate thing here is that the optimal method is probably not to start a "program" at age 40, but to start earlier (since permanent damage probably starts occurring in the early 30s). But at least, we would have something (a test bed), which results could then be used by Joe average guy on the street...

Ttfftygygyggy wrote:

Again, Lagat, the ex 3000m NCAA champion, is faster now, at age 40 and 2 months, than he was in College. This is completely off the scale...

BTW: WSU web site shows that Lagat's best at 3000m, while in College, was 7:45 (in Barcelona in 1998, outdoor, in the summer months, I assume).

He is therefore 8 seconds faster over 3000m, as a 40+ y.o. than he was in College...

Ttfftygygyggy wrote:

Again, Lagat, the 3000m NCAA champion, is faster now, at age 40 and 2 months, than he was in College. This is completely off the scale. No simple genetic advantage can explain that (although his genes should be studied also).

Coghlan didn't run sub 4 until the end of his 4th year in college, and did it again at 40. Whiteman didn't run sub 4 until he was 24. It is not even remotely off the scale, and yes genes can be completely responsible for it.

Why should someone who ages slowly and avoids injuries have declining performance? There are more slow agers than you think, but most of them retire anyway to raise families and spend their money and so forth.

Bad Wigins wrote:[/]... It is not even remotely off the scale...

He beat the old master record by 24 seconds... He ran the 2nd best time of the year this winter. His time is faster than Coe, Ovett, K. Sullivan... ran for 3000m when they were at their best... That's pretty much the definition of "off the scale"...

Actually, the scary part is not that he's 40. The scary part is that a guy who uses Diamond League meets to "get into shape" just ran 7:37 indoors. Imagine how fast he can go when he's not out of shape!!!

Lagat and Li are an AMERICAN success story. Lagat came to this country as a 22-year old with a PR of 3:37. There's at least one guy in D1 indoors this year faster than that. Everything this naturalized American Citizen has accomplished has come from being coached by a naturalized American Citizen from the People's Republic of China.

One thing that should be considered important is a coach without a "my way or the highway" mentality. Dr. Li recognized that this was an athlete that could not run much mileage and he devised training to fit. This is similar to Clyde Hart who devised the system for which he is rightly famous simply to keep Michael (injury prone) Johnson healthy. There are too many people like Rojo and others on this site saying that everyone needs to run high mileage. Maybe the most important thing in coaching: Don't listen to what "they" say.

Lagat's certainly not the only one. Kim Collins may run a sub-10 over 40. Teemu Selanne scored 2 goals in Finland's rout of USA in the last Olympics in Hockey at 43. But you're not going to find any 150mpw people competing at Lagat's level at Lagat's age. People are learning to be more careful with their body and their training and do it for a longer time.

I never ran more than 60 miles per week. My body went to hell in my late 30s. You?

SERIOUSLY.......

some of these post are plain stupid ,excuse

needs to share his knowledge with

medical science ,etc ,......................a joke

when see how it is done nothing special

coughlan if had same wouldnt be far off.

and similar lagat witout tis peptide not far

off him at 40 and the stress would

quickly destroy other systems of body.

Bolt and few jamicans also had steroids

where really powerful ,can force maximal

adaption in training.

but all other jamicans were'nt on such programs maybe some testosterone but using largely as stand alone ped

proof is there look at few small islands in ..

will see other older athletes continue

inother sports where never before, similarly

and go tell the medical community that

oh wait they discovered ,market,etc tis ped.

all elite athlete genes should be looked at...

People .........please..........

longevity are japanese best at that and

crazy about running

but dont see this ,also rarely dope.......

OR

scary, he uses diamond league to get into

shape .... .........please.......

no he takes this ped at very least

until it gets to peak , and subsequent peak

in performance . same as collins.

OR secret is low mileage..... if older yes .

ever think does less mileage cause old

cant recover as well regardless of any ped

coach is genius.........

Once again why did you delete initial post.

and let me respond .

so here go again for 3rd time.

delusional........

that is believing him and collins are legit

and that athletics is cleaner than ever

when clearly opposite in terms of rethortic

delusional.......

said if call out dopers when as blant as this

ruining sport ,no the lies and cheating is.

either allow or be clean. no agenda and lies

proof........ of igf-1 lr3 use .....

you are looking at with lagat, etc

and many jamicans and others before

whether believe or not ,this is the case.

are you a serious athlete that has

done many cycles of tis peptide to

in training and for competition

forcing much greater adaption to

training than possible naturally

for particular athletes situation

gain quality muscle ,lower body fat etc.

alot of increased adaption due to

nervous system peak forcing it which also

need to be at max for race day.

about maintaince for older athlete

or if lucky force some extra gains

considering all other factors present.

like healthy, aerobic cap. ,metabolism etc

is recent 100,200,800 m record proof

enough or what happening in carribean

laugh but ,gives a taller sprinters

relative cadence increase ala bolt.

afew jamicans had also serious steroids

in off season for unbeatable adaption

to training .

not golddust but a key ped to athlete

and especially older athlete where

steroids ,epo etc previously never allowed

such performances.

Cytcfctftcfctf wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:... It is not even remotely off the scale...

He beat the old master record by 24 seconds... He ran the 2nd best time of the year this winter. His time is faster than Coe, Ovett, K. Sullivan... ran for 3000m when they were at their best... That's pretty much the definition of "off the scale"...

The poster (presumably you based on your methods of unregistered handle generation) said Lagat was off the scale for being faster than he was in college. And I explained to you that a lot of 40 year olds are faster than they were in college. You can't just pick a new scale for it to be off of.

And at least pick a better comparison than Coe (7:54) and Ovett (7:41). It is not at all surprising for a 7:29 man to still be faster than that a few years later.

Bad Wigins wrote:

And at least pick a better comparison than Coe (7:54) and Ovett (7:41). It is not at all surprising for a 7:29 man to still be faster than that a few years later.

That's funny... Slowing down by 8 seconds at 3000m by age 40 is normal...

0/10

You went too far...

once a doper always one.......

try to say never used epo for 1500 pr

Question

as we see tis peptide obviously good

at extenting athletic career

But then why does bolt want

to retire in 2 years .

know replys but just a thought.

aduck2022 wrote:

once a doper always one.......

try to say never used epo for 1500 pr

Question

as we see tis peptide obviously good

at extenting athletic career

But then why does bolt want

to retire in 2 years .

know replys but just a thought.

why do you write so bad? this isnt 4chan kiddo