This thread is funny, seeing a bunch of MEN arguing how pretty Kara is, whether she's over the hill, and whether people know who she is. Guess what-- women don't care how fast she is! It doesn't matter whether she runs 2:25, 2:35, or even 2:50. They absolutely know who she is, and she could hook up with any company and continue to be in magazine ads/covers and make a headline appearance at race expos. She's the Julia Roberts of distance running. And yes, I'm a woman.
Flatliner wrote:
"all American pretty"
Is that what they say when someone isn't "pretty" pretty?
I don't care if someone is a "great family woman." I care how they perform as an athlete since that's her job. As of lately, she is underperforming and I'm sure she knows Nike will not be offering her as much as they did in years prior. She is not Paula Radcliffe.
She is very pretty- All American means natural, not made up, not from surgical enhancement.
People's tastes vary but there is no way someone could say she is "ugly".
I realize there are a lot of young guys on this message board and many of them wouldn't know what to do with a woman if they ever had to be alone with one, but it's insane that anyone can say she's not a beautiful woman.
She is appealing and, if marketed right, can be helpful to anyone smart enough to sign her.
video killed the radio star wrote:
This thread is funny, seeing a bunch of MEN arguing how pretty Kara is, whether she's over the hill, and whether people know who she is. Guess what-- women don't care how fast she is! It doesn't matter whether she runs 2:25, 2:35, or even 2:50. They absolutely know who she is, and she could hook up with any company and continue to be in magazine ads/covers and make a headline appearance at race expos. She's the Julia Roberts of distance running. And yes, I'm a woman.
Wow, glad to hear that your word is gospel.
I coach girls's high school cross country, I'm a woman, and not one of my runners has ever mentioned her name, not once. They don't say that they are getting these shoes or those shoes because Kara wore them. The only name I've heard mentioned is Paula because of how fast she ran the marathon.
We were ranked 3rd in the state. They don't care about her, don't buy things that she wears, and she's simply not that well-known.
Bottom line: In this world of social media, they care more about the girls who they are trying to beat in cc and track and how fast they ran at this meet or that meet, not Kara Goucher. They listen to music, they don't follow her on twitter.
I also run at a local park when training for my own races. Not once has anyone in our group talked about her, not once. Knowing who she is, WHO CARES? I know how lots of people are, so what?
If you really are a woman, you live a very insecure life.
I don't understand why so many people who have (or have not) never heard "their runners" or "their friends" talk about Kara, makes them think that this is universally true.
Kara is obviously a very popular runner whether you like her or not. No, she is not a rock star but amongst people who are aware of pro women runners at all (or follow pro running at all), I suspect almost all would know who Kara is. And it appears that she is as popular, if not more, on social media than most of her contemporaries.
Does this sell shoes? Is her popularity more important than her success as a runner to a sponser? I have no idea. But she appears to be doing quite well for herself. So, good for her!
LOL maybe her real appeal is young to middle aged men. If they run in Nike they will get fast enough to steal her away from Alan. Maybe that's where all the Alan bashing comes from.
You mean Adam. Kara Goucher is married to Adam Goucher. Dolt.
Sorry, you can tell how much know. Adam it is. The one that was going to run a time trial to make the Olympic team if he made top three in what ever event it was 5 or 10. The guy who said Mark W. didn't believe in him. Wah, Wah.... The one who rides that scooter around. I believe I stopped following him after leaving NOP and bad mouthing every coach he ever had.
I'm a female locally competitive runner. I own Oiselle running clothes. They are cute. I run with a few different groups and they all know who Kara Goucher is and Lauren Fleshman. I worked at a high school running camp and all of the girls knew who Kara Goucher was and Jordan and Mary.
Most of the specialty stores in my area carry Oiselle. Where do you people live? Their clothes are cute and functional. Their website is awesome and runner friendly. I don't get all the hate. They are doing great things for womens running.
And you have capitalization issues.
Class A (Division 1) Coach wrote:
Wow, glad to hear that your word is gospel.
I coach girls's high school cross country, I'm a woman, and not one of my runners has ever mentioned her name, not once. They don't say that they are getting these shoes or those shoes because Kara wore them. The only name I've heard mentioned is Paula because of how fast she ran the marathon.
We were ranked 3rd in the state. They don't care about her, don't buy things that she wears, and she's simply not that well-known.
Bottom line: In this world of social media, they care more about the girls who they are trying to beat in cc and track and how fast they ran at this meet or that meet, not Kara Goucher. They listen to music, they don't follow her on twitter.
Ok, so you're talking about high school girls? All they care about is the crap that doesn't matter- in their own little world. I know, because I'm a college coach and deal with them for recruiting. I'm talking about adult women, including college aged women. You know, the ones who have MONEY to spend, read running magazines, and pay attention to the real world. They know who Kara is. If she gave Oiselle her endorsement, I'd guarantee they'd at least check out Oiselle's clothes.
If you really are a woman, you live a very insecure life.
Based on what...? What does this have to do with anything?
I'm a competitive masters runner and I own Oiselle running clothes. The founder is a friend and former club mate, who was a pretty good competitive runner. I know she takes a lot of care in developing running clothing that is comfortable, flattering and functional. She has shifted her focus from her initial offering - a split short that I personally loved - to clothing that was more modest (no splits, longer) to attract a wider range of female athlete. But the cut and style of all their clothes is really well-thought out and revised with input from their customers.
At the last trials, I thought that their athletes looked a little out of place amongst the buns and crop tops, but now their elite athletes wear Oiselle briefs and bra tops, which fit in with the "elite woman" style. Versions of those items are now available to all.
I think their clothing pricing is competitive with most running companies, including Nike. While I think paying $40 for a pair of shorts is a bit crazy, it's really the "going rate". I think their quality and style is better- and certainly anything Oiselle has is miles better than the awful Nike tempo short.
Most of this board is male, so I am not sure why you care if Kara does get sponsored by Oiselle, certainly you aren't buying anything because of her. Of the few times I've encountered Kara, I found her to be warm, personable and approachable. I think she would be a good spokesperson/role model for any company.
Has anyone told Adam about Alan?
Wow, a friend of yours. No conflict of interest there, eh?Oh, YOU thought the athletes looked a little out of place amongst the buns and crop tops. Wow, you made YOU the decider of what works and doesn't work. What a waste of words. You own them because, you claim, the owner is a friend of yours and you're goal is to push her product in hopes of a kickback, right?I'm a billionaire, no reallly! You're a competitive masters runner, right? What a joke.Kara is not increasing their sales, period.
muddy girl wrote:
I'm a competitive masters runner and I own Oiselle running clothes. The founder is a friend and former club mate, who was a pretty good competitive runner. I know she takes a lot of care in developing running clothing that is comfortable, flattering and functional. She has shifted her focus from her initial offering - a split short that I personally loved - to clothing that was more modest (no splits, longer) to attract a wider range of female athlete. But the cut and style of all their clothes is really well-thought out and revised with input from their customers.
At the last trials, I thought that their athletes looked a little out of place amongst the buns and crop tops, but now their elite athletes wear Oiselle briefs and bra tops, which fit in with the "elite woman" style. Versions of those items are now available to all.
I think their clothing pricing is competitive with most running companies, including Nike. While I think paying $40 for a pair of shorts is a bit crazy, it's really the "going rate". I think their quality and style is better- and certainly anything Oiselle has is miles better than the awful Nike tempo short.
Most of this board is male, so I am not sure why you care if Kara does get sponsored by Oiselle, certainly you aren't buying anything because of her. Of the few times I've encountered Kara, I found her to be warm, personable and approachable. I think she would be a good spokesperson/role model for any company.
wtf is wrong with you? you are way out of line.
Liar amongst us wrote:
Wow, a friend of yours. No conflict of interest there, eh?
Oh, YOU thought the athletes looked a little out of place amongst the buns and crop tops. Wow, you made YOU the decider of what works and doesn't work.
What a waste of words. You own them because, you claim, the owner is a friend of yours and you're goal is to push her product in hopes of a kickback, right?
I'm a billionaire, no reallly! You're a competitive masters runner, right? What a joke.
Kara is not increasing their sales, period.
muddy girl wrote:I'm a competitive masters runner and I own Oiselle running clothes. The founder is a friend and former club mate, who was a pretty good competitive runner. I know she takes a lot of care in developing running clothing that is comfortable, flattering and functional. She has shifted her focus from her initial offering - a split short that I personally loved - to clothing that was more modest (no splits, longer) to attract a wider range of female athlete. But the cut and style of all their clothes is really well-thought out and revised with input from their customers.
At the last trials, I thought that their athletes looked a little out of place amongst the buns and crop tops, but now their elite athletes wear Oiselle briefs and bra tops, which fit in with the "elite woman" style. Versions of those items are now available to all.
I think their clothing pricing is competitive with most running companies, including Nike. While I think paying $40 for a pair of shorts is a bit crazy, it's really the "going rate". I think their quality and style is better- and certainly anything Oiselle has is miles better than the awful Nike tempo short.
Most of this board is male, so I am not sure why you care if Kara does get sponsored by Oiselle, certainly you aren't buying anything because of her. Of the few times I've encountered Kara, I found her to be warm, personable and approachable. I think she would be a good spokesperson/role model for any company.
i dont think badass is even close to an accurate description of kara or lauren - just sayin
xenonscreams wrote:
Bocabaton wrote:AND would it hurt or help Fleshman's brand to have a better known and more accomplished athlete at Oiselle?
Lauren Fleshman + Kara Goucher = Super Badass Mommy Runner Duo
Oiselle would win over ever casual female runner in the US.
video killed the radio star wrote:
Ok, so you're talking about high school girls? All they care about is the crap that doesn't matter- in their own little world. I know, because I'm a college coach and deal with them for recruiting. I'm talking about adult women, including college aged women. You know, the ones who have MONEY to spend, read running magazines, and pay attention to the real world.
I'm not picking sides in this pissing match about KG and Oiselle, but I find your comparisons between HS girls and college women comical. First, when I went through college, very few of us had any extra spending money, only the really rich kids. Mac & cheese, ramen, cheap beer - sound familiar? Second, your generalization that HS girls only "care about the crap that doesn't matter" might be more of a reflection of the type of kids drawn to your school. I've worked with HS girls for over 20 years and my experiences have been very different than yours. Certainly, some can be self-centered and immature, but it's not the norm and, hell, they're only 15-18 years old... what do you expect?! Likewise, one of my best friends is a highly successful college women's coach and he still deals with immaturity and pettiness.
I work in a large office (1,500+) for a Fortune 500 company and I still deal with immaturity and pettiness. It is a personality trait not a developmental stage one outgrows.
redux wrote:
I work in a large office (1,500+) for a Fortune 500 company and I still deal with immaturity and pettiness. It is a personality trait not a developmental stage one outgrows.
This says it all! ^
. . . wrote:
i dont think badass is even close to an accurate description of kara or lauren - just sayin
whoa, we got a badass expert over here
That says it all about what? ⇓
real old guy wrote:
redux wrote:I work in a large office (1,500+) for a Fortune 500 company and I still deal with immaturity and pettiness. It is a personality trait not a developmental stage one outgrows.
This says it all! ^