Alysia Montano twitter fight with typical runner

Cicirunner and Alysia have every right to say whatever they want on a social media outlet like LR or Twitter. Who really cares and what does it matter to anyone else except for those two. I can hope the day arrives that Alysia can carry her speed and talent all the way to 800m and not leave it at 700m. She looks like she can run 1:55. I can't wait to the 800m race where she doesn't fade with 100m to go. As a fan, these races are more exciting than the stupid 75 second quarters in a men's 5k and sit and kick type race. I wish them both success in their running!!!

Only got in because she is black and an athlete, otherwise it would have been junior college all the way.

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

She went to Cal. She's smart. And among the world's best. She made an error in the haze of battle, surely unintentional.

natethegreat wrote:

https://twitter.com/Cicirunner

Start a couple of day ago, why? just why? There's no reason to engage in a fight with a non pro runner if you really don't care about their opinions

The cicirunner guy actually has faster PR's than me (though not too big of a difference) and I consider his times to be solid, if not amazing. But if I were a 15 minute 5K guy, I wouldn't post it on a twitter profile. In the grand scheme of things, it ain't *that* fast, even though it would win some HS 5K Cross state races.

In regards to whether slower fans can criticize professional runners--of course! Can Dr. Jack Daniels offer advice to a runner even though he never was a great runner? Yes, he knows a lot about running, has an olympic medal, and, more importantly, has a PhD in exercise physiology.

coach d wrote:

He's got you nailed. And the moron harasser is some tri geek with a 4:39 1600 from high school that he likely can't touch now. Couldn't run with Alysia if his life depended on it. Just like the people posting here.

Suuuure, people in here cant run 1.57? Give me a break.

Going through Cicirunner other tweeter posts leaves one with a feeling of encountering a self aggrandizing man child who broadcasts everything to the world, e.g. carrying groceries from the car, being beaten on a run by a fat man on a bike, why the details about the man being 'fat'.

Just like we got on to the case a some pseudo journalist that criticized some other runners (was it Rowbury) from the same games, it, seems hypocritical that Montano is free game.

It's so sad that just because he happens to have a slower time in the 800, he's getting attacked, because he doesn't have the credibility to be criticizing a professional female runner. MANY(male) high school runners, Myself included, have PRS under 1:58.. I would give anything to have said that instead of him, because then I wouldn't be receiving as much hate focused around my PRs, and I probably would have said it if he didn't. I don't see what the big deal is here, her tactics ARE CRAP, and it doesn't take somebody who has faster PRs than her to see that. He did nothing wrong, IT IS JUST BLATANTLY OBVIOUS.

Not "many" people have a PR of 1:58 for the 800. Maybe 1 in 100 male HS runners, if even that. Probably closer to 1 in 300.

That said, if a 2:20 800 guy 'offered advice' to you because of YOUR crappy 800 racing, I doubt you'd embrace his expertise, nor would you appreciate the criticism, unless that person was a coach.

"You could have run 1:56 - 1:57 if you had decent tactics."

Yeah, thanks there, Speedy. I need advice from every 2:20 800 runner out there....

And there's an element of 'mansplaining' that she probably didn't appreciate either.

Negative-splitting isn't the only tactic available. Maybe she figured there were some softies in the race that would suffer from a hard first lap. Perfectly reasonable.

Pre would have loved letsrun. Everyone here would have hated him because he ran such stupid front-running paces in races.

So imagine Cicirunner telling Pre he basically sucked. That's what this is.

BguyjMillenum013 wrote:

alysia would smoke him in the 800, then after she is done, while she is still hot and sweaty, would put on a strap-on and deep throat him to death too. flexing her powerful thigh muscles while doing it.

Please stop, you're killing me!

I think his twitter posts are kind of funny. He gets people hyped up about running and that's something I can support.

You lost all credibility when you compared Alysia to Prefontaine lol idiot. Prefontaine had American records and won most of his races. He also didn't die horribly at the end of races. Even in the Olympics, he ran his last mile in 4:02.

Sure Pre was a front runner but you're exaggerating a bit. He wouldn't take off from the gun with a 20 meter gap unless victory was imminent. This Alysia chick pulls the same crap EVERY race and never succeeds.

Yeah? You've watched all of his races? There was never a race Pre ran where he took off and got a 10-20m lead in the first lap or two, leading others to wonder "what the hell is he doing?"

Hahaha. People said that about Pre all the time.

Nonsense Bender wrote:

You lost all credibility when you compared Alysia to Prefontaine lol idiot. Prefontaine had American records and won most of his races. He also didn't die horribly at the end of races. Even in the Olympics, he ran his last mile in 4:02.

Sure Pre was a front runner but you're exaggerating a bit. He wouldn't take off from the gun with a 20 meter gap unless victory was imminent. This Alysia chick pulls the same crap EVERY race and never succeeds.

+ he said he has run 2:08 for 800m. I bet a mile race between them both would be close.

Lets make this real!! Cici vs AM in a 1 mile race. Loser quits running.

I think AM would actually run smart and run on Cici's shoulder until the last 400m when she would use her superior speed and kick his tail.

Nonsense Bender wrote:

He also didn't die horribly at the end of races.

No he saved the act of dying horribly at the end of a night of drinking.

Plus, Pre's records?

Pre, in 2013, wouldn't be setting any records with 13:21. None of his records still stand. Going out fast and dying would have him ripped up one side and down the other here on letsrun. He would have gotten the same great 'advice' that Montano is getting. Fam got it all the time for front-running.

Likewise, if Montano was running in 1972, I daresay her record would look a lot like Pre's: lots of national records, not many losses. Different time, different level of competition...

Pre: "No one will ever win a 5,000 meter by running an easy two miles. Not against me." He would later state, "I am going to work so that it's a pure guts race. In the end, if it is, I'm the only one that can win it".

Sounds like idiotic tactics, based on the letsrun armchair expert analysis... gosh, maybe he would have won a medal in Munich if he'd run smarter, right? In the modern day, getting his butt kicked by Bekele and Gebreselaisse on a weekly basis, being outkicked by a 54 second last 400m, would have gotten him EXACTLY the type of response that Montano is getting.

But I suppose Montano should adjust her racing strategy based on the expert comments of Twitter users. Yeah, that sounds like a FANTASTIC way to organize your career - by devising racing strategy based on comments on Twitter and letsrun.

Let's say you were a 1:52 800 guy, qualified for your HS State Meet. At the meet, you split 54/58, and get outkicked by three guys at the line. As you leave the track, some freshman 2:25 800 guy on your team walks up and says, "Hey, your tactics suck. You should have run more evenly, and you would have won." How would that go over with you? Would you shake his hand and thank him for his opinion?

These armchair experts should go out and coach their own athletes to the WC 800m Final.

Or go tell Al Pujols how his swing sucks.

Or go tell Aaron Rodgers how to throw a football.

Or go tell Chris Paul how to be a point guard.

You have the right, no doubt, to voice your opinion. But don't be surprised if people think you're the idiot for thinking you know better.

She can still run fast without having to blast the first 200m. You make a good argument, but if your bottom line is that Montano doesn't need to change anything, you sir are the village idiot of the running community.

natethegreat wrote:

https://twitter.com/Cicirunner

Start a couple of day ago, why? just why? There's no reason to engage in a fight with a non pro runner if you really don't care about their opinions

I'm just now clicking on this thread for the first time, and went to the twitter account of Cici runner assuming it was a woman. First thought, without noticing the profile pic, "Those are pretty good times for a girl!" Then I see the profile- man. Typical 16 min 5K Letsrun douche know-it-all.

Pointing out the Obvious wrote:

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

She went to Cal. She's smart. And among the world's best. She made an error in the haze of battle, surely unintentional.

Plenty of folks who went to Cal are morons.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

Evidence?

Here's mine, from wiki:

"Berkeley is ranked 5th among 300 Best World Universities in 2012 compiled by Human Resources & Labor Review (HRLR) on Measurements of World's Top 300 Universities Graduates' Performance .[46]

The Academic Ranking of World Universities, a ranking of research impact and productivity, regarded the university as 3rd worldwide in 2013.[47] The 2012-2013 Times Higher Education World University Rankings placed Berkeley 9th in the world, 6th in the United States, and 3rd in California.[48] In the Times Higher Education World Reputation Rankings Berkeley was ranked the world's 5th most prestigious university and one of six globally recognized "super brands."[49] The 2012 QS World University Rankings placed Berkeley 22nd in the world, 14th in the United States, and 3rd in California.[50] In 2009 the Center for Measuring University Performance placed Berkeley ninth among national research universities.[51]

In 2013 Kiplinger ranked Berkeley 8th out of the top 100 best-value public colleges and universities in the nation, and 2nd in California.[52]

Berkeley ranks 9th among universities that have produced the largest number of living billionaires.[53]

The Princeton Review ranks Berkeley as a "college with a conscience"[54] and the 5th best value in public colleges.[55]

The College Sustainability Report Card, published by the Sustainable Endowments Institute, gave Berkeley a B in 2009 for its efforts in environmental sustainability.[56]

Undergraduate programs[edit source | editbeta]

Berkeley is rated as the top public, the 6th most prestigious (public or private), and 21st overall U.S. "National University" by U.S. News & World Report in 2013.[57][58] In 2012 Washington Monthly ranked UC Berkeley 5th in the U.S. based on its contribution to the public good.[59] U.S. News ranked both the undergraduate programs in engineering and business tied for 3rd in the nation.[57]

The Wall Street Journal's Rankings by Major place Berkeley in 2nd place for Computer Science, 3rd for both Marketing/Advertising and Finance, 6th for Business/Economics, 8th for Accounting, and 12th for Engineering.[60]

Graduate programs[edit source | editbeta]

U.S. News & World Report ranks UC Berkeley's professional programs among the best in the country in 2013. The Goldman School of Public Policy is ranked 6th, the Haas School of Business 7th, the UC Berkeley School of Public Health 8th, and the Boalt School of Law 9th.[57] UC Berkeley's graduate sciences also receive high marks, ranking 1st in Chemistry and Computer Science; 2nd in Math, Statistics, and Biological Sciences; 3rd in Earth Sciences; and 5th in Physics.[57] UC Berkeley's graduate Engineering program is 3rd in overall quality, with specialty rankings of 1st in Environmental/Environmental Health Engineering; 2nd in Civil Engineering and Computer Engineering; and 3rd in Chemical Engineering, Electrical/ Electronic/ Communications Engineering, Industrial/ Manufacturing Engineering and Mechanical Engineering, 6th in Materials Engineering, and 7th in Nuclear Engineering.[57] The graduate social science programs at Berkeley score 1st in English, History, and Sociology; 2nd in Psychology; 5th in Economics; and 6th in Political Science.[57] Faculty in the English Department have received 25 university Distinguished Teaching Awards—more than any other department.

The most recent (2010) United States National Research Council Rankings, widely considered the ranking authority on US doctoral programs, identified UC Berkeley as having the highest number of top-ranked doctoral programs in the nation. Of all US research universities, UC Berkeley has the most graduate programs that extend into the top ten, with 48 out of 52 programs that were ranked, as well as the most programs with ranks that extend into the top 5, with 43 out of 52 ranked programs. UC Berkeley has the second highest number of graduate programs with a ranking of #1, with 16 out of 52 reaching top status—for comparison, Harvard achieved this level in 19 of its 52 ranked programs, while Stanford achieved it in 11 of its 47 ranked programs.[61] UC Berkeley doctoral programs that received a #1 ranking include Agricultural and Resource Economics, Astrophysics, Chemistry, Civil and Environmental Engineering, Computer Science, English, Epidemiology, German, Mathematics, Mechanical Engineering, MCB: Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, MCB: Genetics, Genomics, and Development, Physics, Plant Biology, and Political Science.

UC Berkeley was also the #1 recipient of National Science Foundation Graduate Research Fellowships between 2001 and 2010, with 1,333 awards. The next closest were MIT at 1,242 and Stanford at 1,070.[62]"

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

Pointing out the Obvious wrote:

Plenty of folks who went to Cal are morons.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

Evidence?

Here's mine, from wiki:

(lots of stuff indicating that Cal is a world class educational institution)

Did you go to Cal? If you did I would offer you as exhibit #1.

Please try to learn the difference between:

1) A world class educational institution

and

2) An educational institution that never has any morons attend

By the way, I did my graduate work at Cal. Great place. Interesting as hell. And tons of very smart folks. I also met quite a few morons while I was there.