Germany had coaches working with government scientists. If you are American that sounds familiar. Also back when the PED protocols were different Germany was Jamaica with a pale shade. 4 German women made the 200 meter final in Montreal and the 100 meter champion and silver medalists were Germans. Anyway to prove my point on race is social construct what is Tiger Woods or even trickier what are his children?
None of those guys were ever busted for drug abuse.
Did you happen to notice only one white sprinter in that 100m final, and he was only there because of injuries to faster black ones?
Where are those big and fast white guys like...
Christian Okoye
Jim Brown
Marcus Dupree
Bo Jackson
Curtis Dickey
Herschel Walker
Randy Moss
...well?
I was talking about speed.
easy to pick a big, fast white guy. Trey Hardee..at 6' 5", musclebound. Has run 100m in 10.39. The only big (yet much smaller than him) guys who can run a faster 100 meter are the specialists. Thank you
A Moroccan with straight hair and olive skin is now SSA? Interesting, I guess Liu was be a honorary SSA too? Not that I think either were clean. I don't think there have been many clean champions since the early 70's, regardless of race.
Considering that only the sprinters EVER to have been caught using PED's in the USADA sanctioned sprints have been BLACK, then you have to consider there is a racial factor in sprint cheats. Nothing but guilty BLACK faces on that list. Oh yeah add one more infraction to Tyson Gay! (This is a documented fact, you can confirm it yourself by going on the US Anti Doping Association website, which tells you what athletes have been caught for what sports).
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To amend my previous statement, it seems Sprintgeezer is convinced Rodgers and Dasaolu are both dopers. That's sad.
Err Rodgers has failed a drugs test and been previously banned.
Now name two more.
Every big fast White tight end in the NFL could be decathletes if the money was in track. Aaron Hernandez who is a Caucasian played tailback and did end arounds at 220 pounds +
800m - Seb Coe (still 3rd fastest ever 33 years later), Black men have only been taking this distance seriously relatively recently and already they are dominating.
1000m - Seb Coe (still 2nd fastest ever 33 years later)- Who cares about this distance? Last time I checked I didn't see it on the Olympics or WAC program
1500m - Hicham El Guerrouj, WR Holder- BLACK MAN
Mile - Hicham El Guerrouj, WR Holder - BLACK MAN
2000m - Hicham El Guerrouj, WR Holder- BLACK MAN. But who cares about this distance? Last time I checked I didn't see it on the Olympics or WAC program
400 Hurdles - Yuliya Pechonkina, WR Holder- DOPED
400m - Marita Koch, WR Holder- DOPED beyond the gills
800m - Jarmila Kratochvílová, WR Holder- A man and doped beyond the gills
1000m - Svetlana Masterkova, WR Holder- Not an official distance
1500m - Yunxia Qu, WR Holder
Mile - Svetlana Masterkova, WR Holder- Doped
2000m - Sonia O’Sullivan, WR Holder- Who cares?
3000m - Junxia Wang, WR Holder
Steeple - Gulnara Galkina, WR Holder- Doped
10,000m - Junxia Wang, WR Holder- Doped
Marathon - Paula Radcliffe, WR Holder
Like I said race is a social construct by no Berber with the features of Hicham would ever say they are Black African. Please you are sounding redonkulous....
Black athletes lost their dominance in Olympic 100 meter sprinting during the 1972, 1976, and 1980 games; in fact WHITE MEN covered about half the grid for these races and took TWO GOLDS. These were the FIRST GAMES where full scale DRUG TESTING took place. During these three games the winning times never broke 10 seconds.
In 1964 and 1968, before this three game stretch, there were only black men at the finals and the winning times were sub 10. Then after the three game stretch, beginning in the 1984 games, there were only black men and sub 10 times again. And it has been only black men in the Olympic finals since. (This is all in the public record. The easiest way to confirm is to watch the sprints on YouTube).
It is my speculative theory that a far greater percentage of black men use PEDs to gain an edge in sprinting, and when testing began in the 70's everyone's times slowed down because they cut back on their drugs. Then, after a decade's worth of testing, the cheats began to develop loop-hole tactics and new drugs for beating the tests. I believe that it is more culturally acceptable for a black take the risk to cheat, it's like being a SPRINT HUSTLA'.
***FACT - The only sprint athletes to be caught using PED's for USADA sanctioned sprints have been BLACK. (Confirm by visiting
http://www.usada.org/sanctions
)
Well to be fair, the blacks claim who they want conveniently too.
Now for those that are arguing (somehow) that whites are running as well as blacks, well that is just silly now isn't it. Ipd makes a good point.
Perhaps a greater percentage of whites should take up sprinting and see what happens.
Now the convenience thing. I have never heard anyone refer to President Obama as white. Why is that? He is as white as he is black, 50/50. How about Tiger Woods? You do hear, "half-Asian/Half Black", on occasion, but mostly just "black". Why not Asian?
The science does indicate that endurance - the aerobic ability - comes from the female side of the two parents. I don't know about anaerobic, speed, agility, coordination et al.
I don't think white people have insecurities as a general rule. I think the opposite is true. But humility is often a confusing trait to people who are full of useless bravado - immature bravado.
Anyway, why all the racist fighting back and forth? I can't help but be a fan of some of the great Africans. David Rudisha is poetry in motion, I wouldn't care if he was orange or purple. Okay maybe orange or purple.
Only 1 white mn has ever broken 10sec,no white man has ever broken
1970 secs,only one white has ever gone under 44 secs,only one white
has ever gone sub 1:42,no white man has ever gone sub 13 secs,no
white man has ever gone sub 47:40 secs.I can go on and on.Whites
generally suck on the track.I wager a white male will not win a single
track event and whites will be lucky to win more than 2 medals.
Lemaitre looks like a marathoner. Could probably be a good boogie boarder or poker player as well.
Don't even bother, half the black sprinters these idiots list were dopers, and all the NFL/NBA are probably dopers too by track standards considering how sh*ty their tests are.
at the end of the day blacks can run faster and jump higher, if they make it in pro sports, good for them.
but in general white people are smarter/more successful than black people
just stating the facts
You are correct however, I wonder how much more balanced the results would be across the races (nationalities), if there was the same number of Orientals, Caucasions, Negros, Indiginous North American, South Pacific Indiginous people (Maori et al) and Indian (India and area as well as Persians) and they all ran equally in numbers.
The reason why I ask is because there are only blacks winning. Now athletes start to get funneled into sports that they appear to be suited for in some countries fairly early. Why are there so many good soccer players of all races, white, Brazilians, blacks et al?
Now journalists and athletes document the participation numbers of runners in Kenya and they are huge. Kids running to school or walking and running, to and from et al. Also, at the high end, huge groups of sub-28 minute runners all together of the likes that you do not see in other countries.
If it is strictly a race thing, are Ryan Hall, Paula Radcliffe, Seb Coe, Christophe Lemaitre all outliers? How can you have outliers when a smaller percentage of your population or a smaller percentage of your athletic population even takes on the sport at all?
How can a caucasion with promise of a career have the same desire as an East African or Jamaican when they have nothing. What is that saying, "fear the man with nothing to lose". Something like that.
That can be answered with funneling to sports that the athlete can be good at early. And can be answered with the affordability thing too. Non blacks can afford to cycle, ski et al. They also participate in those sports to a higher degree than they run, at a serious level.
I am in no way suggesting that whites could dominate blacks in running, because the proof to date, as far as we know it, is opposite of that however, I am asking, if soccer for example is one of the only sports that is well represented across the racial spectrum and happens to have a broad range of representation because of that, why can't all other sports?
Soccer requires agility, fitness, speed, coordination, skill and other attributes. It is close to a pure sport of straight up running and requires little to no money to play. Additionally and perhaps most importantly, it is played world-wide by every spectrum of all the races.
Yes you do, observational racism, like observational comedy, doesn't necessarily make great journalism.
If you want to get into a demographics and psychographics and socio-economic and environmental conversation, you need to look at more than two countries, America and Mexico, as you have.
Why are there 1 billion Indian people in the world, probably more with them living all over the world now, plus Pakistan, which is the same race, Sri Lanka et al. Why is there say up to 1.5 billion of them and not only do they not dominate in anything other than cricket, they are invisible.
Perhaps it is a value thing. They don't see a value in sports to bring themselves out of poverty.
Why don't the Chinese with well over 1 billion not dominate? They do here and there, but with their systematic approach and occasional systematic doping, they don't consistently dominate.
Here is another, West Africans did not dominate at boxing, during boxing's hey day of popularity. Americans and Brits that are black/partial blacks that are of West African decent for the most part, dominated. Why them?
There is no question that Mike Tyson was the most awesome boxer from 19 to 23 years old, or a little longer, but look at the cuacasians and even some of the blacks that he was knocking out. They were in pathetic shape. He didn't fight anyone with an "in-shape" body until Berbick, mind you he cleaned his clock too. So Tyson was great, for sure. Was he on 'roids? He sure demonstrated, in a very public way, anger management issues. Anyway, why didn't West Africa's 100 million people not produce great boxers?
Go back to my soccer example. Why is it that a Brazilian an Italian, a Brit, a Mexican, an African et al, can all be considered to be at the top of the world in talent? Currently a Brazilian trumps, yes, but he is likely a mix of Portuguese and Amerindian, known as Cablocos (sp?).
Every time that is a milestone here is suspect. That includes white as snow Warner who was mentored by MJ. The participation rate of Whites is atrocious at the world class level compared to 30 years ago. It could be young juniors don't think they can dominate and being an also ran isn't worth it financially. Look on Youtube and watch a middle to long distance race and the majority of competitors were White and Western European. I know that back then corrupt doctors that made stars of dopers from Europe didn't help the Africans so maybe the field is level now or maybe a middle class White Euro kid with options doesn't want to take a drug regiment that could kill him by his 50th birthday.