How did Ryan Hall do in the Beach to Beacon 10k? 2013 Discussion Thread

killarney wrote:

ksksk wrote:

No, it'd be more like Lagat running a 55-57 for 400m.

No it wouldn't. 55-57 is a high school time.

29:xx for 10k is also a highschool time. But thats not the point. You clearly missed the analogy. 55-57 is Lagat's mile pace. 29:xx is Hall's marathon pace. It's a pace he can run for 4x the distance. He should easily be able to run in the 27:xx range.

Alaskan Punch wrote:

reed wrote:

32:55 for alexi pappas. pretty solid off of a 15:47 5000m.

Those times are actually more or less equivalent, but since the 15:47 was on a track the 10K today was clearly a superior effort. Good to see one more American under 33 on the roads and Kastor really showed her stuff today.

Is that a US Masters road record for Kastor?

gemma steel career is better than paula radcliffe definitely.

what's paula last race sept 30 2011. thats like 680 days ago. gemma last race was today.

paula radcliffe commentate on manchester 10k its hilarious how she commentate on tirunesh but don't show up to manchester 10k.

why paula don't retire but don't run.

Joyce chepkirui beated buzunesh deba. i also hate deba. deba is not a marathoner her only marathons are new york city marathon and houston and thats all lately.

I wonder just how shitty a performance Hall would have to turn in to get his raucously stupid defenders to acknowledge his competitive insufficiency. Saying that Hall isn't a 10K specialist doesn't mean that anything goes out there and it's all good. Hall ran back-to-back 10Ks in 28:23 and then a few minutes more at that clip for good measure when he ran his 59:43 half. If he were able to hold the 29:43 he managed at B2B today for another 11.1K -- and the chances of that are clearly zero -- he'd run 1:02:42; 29:43 converts to about a 1:06-flat. Sorry, but that means his 10K today was not just a little off, it was absurdly, inexcusably slow. One likes to think that if he had been capable of 29-flat (4:40s on the nose) he would have run that, but he wasn't even close.

Hall ran like shit. Doesn't necessarily mean he's cooked, but it does mean exactly what I just said it does.

rojo wrote:

Great run by Gemma Steel. Coming in, her pb was just 32:34.81 on the track and 32:06 on the road. She's run 70:46 fo 13.1. Anyone know her plans upcoming plans? Marathon debut??

Does the IAAF take road times for Worlds? Someone get her on a plane to Moscow.

That's a fantastic PB for Gemma! She has always performed better on the road and XC than the track. There are no British women's entries to the 5000m or 10,000m, so I think Gemma just didn't want it, as she could have easily reached the B standard in either event, with no competition.

Whatever i know Paula already retire.

29.x is a terrible result for a world class runner.

but is a good result if you are coming off injury.

the basic type of training you want to be doing these days is hard days (2 days a week) consisting of 2 or 3 runs - 6 to 12 km at the pace ryan ran.

secondarily, depending on the coach, you add in recovery runs, cross training, lactate burning associated training, long runs, fartlek, intervals.

what you don't want to do is run "mileage" and volumes without the quality. that works when 209 would win the day. now we're talking 204 to win the day. you have no choice but to do a volume of specific work at 29 minutes per 10k.

got it? you come back by betting back first to a 29 10k, then work on running s couple of them on the hard days...

Injury Master wrote:

Nice, four maine men in the top 15. If only we had True running to break into the top 10

And Hatton and Gomez were d3 guys. Bowdoin and Bates. Pretty sad that a world class marathoner is barely beating former division 3 runners.

Graeme McDowell wrote:

I agree that this was a "paid tempo" but he went in saying he wanted to run 4:40 pace and also wanted to run a faster pace than he did at Bay to Breakers and Peach Tree. He wanted to see some progression and he did not achieve his goal.

He certainly didn't look like he was tempoing going up the short but steep hill with half a mile to go.

He was at the back of the lead pack in the early miles, got dropped, and slowed. That sounds like racing, not tempoing.

This is such a classic Letsrun thread. It should be bookmarked on the front page forever. Fiction writers couldn't do better.

On Hall--I go with the paid tempo, but at the same time he's kind of lost out there. Doubt we'll see a 2:08 out of him again, let alone sub 2:10. At best 8th-10th/2:12 at NYC. If he actually lines up.

Great run by Kastor! If she leaves today for Moscow should be no problem for recovery.

The smurf meme is a little weird re: Alexi Pappas, but Letsrun trolls haven't been let out of the basement for a few months so they're getting a little wonky.

carry on trolls

fecmatters wrote:

Pappas was incredible, she takes this big dump right along the side of Old Ocean House Road in front of a half dozen people and is liking poop jokes the whole time!!

Really? That's disgusting. What is it with some runners? Just because you're in a race, it doesn't give you the right to poop in public. She should have been fined by the police. If true, she's a disgusting person. Anyone who does that has no manners, integrity, or a sense of personal pride. Yuck.

carry on wayward trolls wrote:

Doubt we'll see a 2:08 out of him again, let alone sub 2:10.

People love getting the "let alone" construct backward -- same goes for "much less."

What you wanted to write here is, "Doubt we'll see a 2:10 out of him again, let alone sub 2:08." The former standard in such comparisons is always the weaker of the two: "Billy couldn't go on a first date without covering his butt in skidmarked underwear, much less show up in a pressed shirt and tie."

But grammar nitpicking aside, I think your assessment is spot on.

Its a fast course for all that are thinking everbody is running well.

Reality sucks wrote:

Its a fast course for all that are thinking everbody is running well.

How can a course be fast and diminish the quality of their results? They ran the time.

Trialswatcher wrote:

Hall loses credibility now every race he runs

+1

Pre-race, Hall wants to run 4:40 pace

Post-race, after splitting a ~9:14 for two miles, Hall says "“I went out too hard, went out like an idiot,”"

Seeing as Hall was off the back a bit (or at least in the back of this lead pack), he was probably exactly on pace for his stated, and allegedly conservative, goal of 4:40 pace.

I'd say his pre-race interviews have lost all credibility.

Manners Please wrote:

Really? That's disgusting. What is it with some runners? Just because you're in a race, it doesn't give you the right to poop in public. She should have been fined by the police. If true, she's a disgusting person. Anyone who does that has no manners, integrity, or a sense of personal pride. Yuck.

According to a male runner who was behind Pappas when this happened, she didn't stop and "poop in public"; she just pooped in her pants while running. She could have stopped, but she ran the next 5.7 miles and finished 10th. Pretty gutsy.

Alexi has come a long way since cross country 2008 (she is #825):