Veronica Capshaw wrote:
Would Pre had needed pacers if attempting a goal time? Of course not - he would have toed the starting line and just taken off. No pacers, no ice vests, no underwater treadmills, no PEDs, no calming talks, no hotel visits. Nothing. He would have just lined up and taken off. Alberto's runners are babies. Need to be tended to. Treated like prima donnas.
Standards were easier then.
And wasn't that almost 40 years ago you're talking about? Wake up please and get in the current time zone!!!!!!
I liked the comment that Salazar is just smarter, more visionary and adaptable than most of the losers who complain about everything while spending their miserable, failed lives pecking at their computers in mommy's basement.
still unsure wrote:
The only problem is that these pace setters will be taking her the entire way and will probably be perfect pace every lap. That NEVER happens in legitimate races. How far do 10k rabbits normally make it? 5k? Maybe 7k if someone is really lucky?
Not uncommon to have teammates pace for a full 10,000.
Everybody is playing by the same rules.
A Duck wrote:
long sox wrote:Interesting notes in green on page 14:
http://www.usatf.org/groups/officials/files/resources/rules/2012-IAAF-The-Referee.pdfGood catch, assume Alberto will get an okay from USATF/IAAF on this.
Women being paced by men means nothing to me. When I was in high school, college guys and "pro's" paced me in road races all the time.
You and your heart, lungs, arms, legs, body, still have to run the distance/race.
It's the powers that be trying to be a hard asz about Paula running a record in a mixed race. WTF?
It doesn't matter, she still had to run every step.
If it was your heart and lungs and other various body parts that ran the race, why did you need pacers at all? Because your soul is weak. Why do you think ultra runners grab pacers as soon as possible, because it makes the event easier. Why do you think Ironman events don't allow pacers (even someone walking beside you) because an exhausted participant will quit easier left to their on devices. So if Ms Hasay and Ms Erdmann are afforded door-to-door male pacing, yeah, that's making it way easier on them. besidesallthemicrodosingsaladbarwillheapontheirplates
homecoming queen... wrote:
Because your soul is weak.
Saladbar's athletes have no soul. They're chemical robots.
I don't know why you nimrods are so anti Salazar! So he has access to the latest training tools and will help his athletes to attain the best results they can. He has incredible passion for the sport and his athletes! You hobby joggers need to get off your high horse. Just because he has a couple of gals he coaches that would blow your socks off in a10K doesn't mean you have to criticize his every move! Get a life!
Let's ask the more obvious unethical question. Has Jordan Hasay been diagnosed with a thyroid problem and shipped off to see some "specialist doctors." I'll agree that Salazar leaves "no stone unturned" when it comes to "helping his athletes" get better.
A woman I train with was told by USATF that a time from a mixed collegiate 10k could not be used to qualify for the last olympic trials.
still unsure wrote:
The only problem is that these pace setters will be taking her the entire way and will probably be perfect pace every lap. That NEVER happens in legitimate races.
2003 Berlin Marathon
Maybe Alan Webb can enter this 10k.. he MIGHT win
I've seen these kind of races go one of two ways. The first is that the pacing works great and the goal time is hit. The second is that because of the "non-race environment" the athlete being paced struggles and falls off the pace. I think some athletes struggle with an environment that doesn't really feel like a race or even the typical Stanford type time trial race. It can be a benefit, but there is also an element of risk with something like Alberto is planning.
canspo wrote:
I've seen these kind of races go one of two ways. The first is that the pacing works great and the goal time is hit. The second is that because of the "non-race environment" the athlete being paced struggles and falls off the pace. I think some athletes struggle with an environment that doesn't really feel like a race or even the typical Stanford type time trial race. It can be a benefit, but there is also an element of risk with something like Alberto is planning.
If the lack of "race environment" might be a negative for the race, why not, instead of men pacing, get Kara to pace? The heat was probably too much for her. She can probably run better in cooler condition and Al could compensate her.
sleezy saladbar tactics. No surprise here. salazar is the biggest cheeter on the circuit.
Not surprising wrote:
A woman I train with was told by USATF that a time from a mixed collegiate 10k could not be used to qualify for the last olympic trials.
That was true at the time. The rule allowing mixed races for entry standards in long track races is a new one.
Thundercats_GO wrote:
Standards were easier then.
How were they easier?
July 17th- Roosevelt High School
They must be pretty confident that both will get what they need as it doesn't leave any time for another attempt if they don't
bern wrote:
July 17th- Roosevelt High School
http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2013/06/oregon_track_field_rundown_pen.html#incart_flyout_sportsThey must be pretty confident that both will get what they need as it doesn't leave any time for another attempt if they don't
With one month and the 10k distance, I would think you'd only take one shot regardless of when you tried it. At 1500m, or even 5k, you could probably take more than one shot, but seems tough in the 10k.
With all the tracks in Portland, why Roosevelt? From Google maps, it looks like it is not in the best shape and doesn't have a curb. I thought a curb was necessary for IAAF meets.
Jordan and Tara ran great races over the weekend to qualify for the team. Now they need to go and get the standard. I have no problem with this (a mixed gender race) being set up by Alberto. Just remember this happens all over the place. Amy Hastings ran a 15:09 5k at a mixed race at one of the New Balance Boston twilight meets to get the A standard in the 5k. You do not need the resources of Nike to put something like this to happen. I hope they both run well and represent the U.S. at Moscow!