I actually was more surprised at how much smaller Erdmann and Hasay both looked as compared to everyone else in the field. Hasay has definitely shrunken down but Erdmann almost looks even smaller than Hasay. I saw a picture of Erdmann from her high school running and she looked normal sized. Now she is noticeably tinier than almost the entire10k field. I guess I have to wonder how she went from normal to super tiny over a span of years when young peoples bodies are still growing.
They both took a big sh*t on Wetmore when they moved to Oregon, too. They are couple of incredibly childish people.
Moronuare wrote:
Was sitting 2 down from Salazar. Both Gouchers walk right by after the race and not even a word spoken. But Adam gave him a death look that was pretty intense. Kara stopped to talk to family and was in tears. Absolutely no words from Salazar. They were 3 feet away from each other. But Adam seemed genuinely po'd.
So true. I can't imagine coaching those two. She cut both Sal and Shum down in the interview. Shum should tell her to go away. She knew she couldn't run with Shalane. So underestimated the rest of the field and then blamed her coach for a bad race pan.
nyrun wrote:
I actually was more surprised at how much smaller Erdmann and Hasay both looked as compared to everyone else in the field. Hasay has definitely shrunken down but Erdmann almost looks even smaller than Hasay. I saw a picture of Erdmann from her high school running and she looked normal sized. Now she is noticeably tinier than almost the entire10k field. I guess I have to wonder how she went from normal to super tiny over a span of years when young peoples bodies are still growing.
Maybe she just lost her baby fat since high school. Do you really not expect a professional runner to be thinner and more cut than a high schooler?
Baby man wrote:
Straight forward to me. Seems too many are making more from it than the interview showed. Good interview and smart lady, Kara seems from it. Pretty honest, humble and without ego. All the references are being analyzed too much i.m. opinion..
snarky remarks about a former coach using everything in his arsenal to combat every condition does not look humble, smart or egoless. yes over analyzed.
but if i were to analyze.... she probably feels alberto is saying behind her back that if she had just worn an ice vest or something high tech like she would have made the team. she feels that is not the reason.
so.... not humble, not smart remark.... honest, yes, neurotic yes.
Yes -- I think you hit the nail on the head.
Precious Roy wrote:
Not a dig on Alberto. She was pretty candid that Alberto was the better tactician at the 10k champs. I think Kara is getting frustrated with her current plateau. She hasn't been able to break through in the marathon. She can no longer just show up on the track and beat everyone. She has run for the best coaches in the business and has the best training partner available in the US. She is at the point where she may be realizing that this is as good as it gets.
Please get a job as a middle school English teacher and save us all.
162430 wrote:
crazy person wrote:Your getting older, Kara. Deal with it. Can't be on top forever.
*You're. No need to thank me Ho Hum; I am looking out for everyone.
Moronuare wrote:
Was sitting 2 down from Salazar. Both Gouchers walk right by after the race and not even a word spoken. But Adam gave him a death look that was pretty intense. Kara stopped to talk to family and was in tears. Absolutely no words from Salazar. They were 3 feet away from each other. But Adam seemed genuinely po'd.
Adam always kinda looks that way.
These people see each other all the time so there is no need to act like they are seeing long lost relatives or something.
Do you have any idea how much power Salazar has right now? Shooting a dirty look wouldn't be the smartest thing when you are living off your wife's earnings and have a young son.
You just saw what you wanted to see.
Hayduke wrote:
Baby man wrote:Straight forward to me. Seems too many are making more from it than the interview showed. Good interview and smart lady, Kara seems from it. Pretty honest, humble and without ego. All the references are being analyzed too much i.m. opinion..
snarky remarks about a former coach using everything in his arsenal to combat every condition does not look humble, smart or egoless. yes over analyzed.
but if i were to analyze.... she probably feels alberto is saying behind her back that if she had just worn an ice vest or something high tech like she would have made the team. she feels that is not the reason.
so.... not humble, not smart remark.... honest, yes, neurotic yes.
I seriously wonder about people like you; did you even watch the video?
She said it in good humor and good spirits for someone who missed out.
Salazar and Nike have provided her with a great life and a great living...facilitating the other endorsements/Nissan etc.
Kara is one race away from restoring her own self-confidence.
A slow start is best in a long, hot race.
Honing technique may bring PRs.
good humor, good spirits? Wow. You really are not good at reading people. She puts the capital P in passive aggressive! You can't honestly think she was in a good mood after that race?
Yes! wrote:
A very good point. Goucher turns 35 on July 9. She's not a youngster anymore and the there is tremendous up-and-coming young talent as well. She may very well be entering the decline phase of her career where she gets a little bit slower every year and gets passed by the younger generation of runners.
Kara is now entering the phase of her career where she transitions from competitor to media host, or commentator. 35 is getting up there for a pro athlete, and those kids just keep on coming along.
With her looks and the fact she has accomplished enough she could have a long career in T&F if she chooses.
1984 wrote:
I think you missed the point.
You are wrong.
Gun2YerHead wrote:
Yes! wrote:A very good point. Goucher turns 35 on July 9. She's not a youngster anymore and the there is tremendous up-and-coming young talent as well. She may very well be entering the decline phase of her career where she gets a little bit slower every year and gets passed by the younger generation of runners.
Kara is now entering the phase of her career where she transitions from competitor to media host, or commentator. 35 is getting up there for a pro athlete, and those kids just keep on coming along.
With her looks and the fact she has accomplished enough she could have a long career in T&F if she chooses.
This ^
Her day has come and gone.
Kara, has just simply lost heart. There was maybe once a time where she put running above all, even herself. Now she has a baby to think about, shes aging, she STILL has the physical capabilities, but mentally she is not in the right place. Shalane is a freak of nature. She's no spring chicken herself (32 I think) and still killing everyone in the field, and Kara just looks at her in awe at this point I agree that it's not good for kara to train with her, every time she see's shalane perform better her confidence probably takes a hit. At this point, kara can try to recapture that youthful hunger, or she can just slowly fade into irrelevance. The circle of life.
kgpremed11 wrote:
Kara, has just simply lost heart. There was maybe once a time where she put running above all, even herself. Now she has a baby to think about, shes aging, she STILL has the physical capabilities, but mentally she is not in the right place. Shalane is a freak of nature. She's no spring chicken herself (32 I think) and still killing everyone in the field, and Kara just looks at her in awe at this point I agree that it's not good for kara to train with her, every time she see's shalane perform better her confidence probably takes a hit. At this point, kara can try to recapture that youthful hunger, or she can just slowly fade into irrelevance. The circle of life.
She just messed up both her strategy and her prep.
She has to be pretty discouraged.
I saw them race at Stanford, and if she had just used the same strategy (let Shalane go) and did some heat training/prep. She'd be on the team and have the bonus $ etc.
Running is a tough sport, and running in the heat makes it tougher.
As soon as Hasay finished her last class, she skipped graduation, got on a plane and Alberto had her start prepping for Des Moines and the heat. He had her training in the sauna, and he sent her to Des Moines early to get acclimated to the heat/environs.
The point is, using all these preparation techniques ("gimmicks,") is they might not always work, but they might cut down on errors like Kara made.
Running is hard enough as it is, why not use every legal technique for prep (exer-cycle in sauna, ice vest, arrive early and acclimate.)
true, gimmicks aren't so bad, but still I don't think she wants it anymore.
Those comments sum up what Goucher said in the interview: Salazar would have had her run slower and go out conservatively, and he would have had some gimmick to help her, for example, training in a sauna. Instead, Schumacher had her go out with Flanagan (who has always been great in hot weather--witness Beijing and when she got third at World XC in very hot weather) and his group went to Madison, WI a couple of weeks before Des Moines to get ready for midwest heat and humidity, except the weather in the midwest then (I live near Chicago, so I know first hand) was very moderate.
A Duck wrote:
kgpremed11 wrote:Kara, has just simply lost heart. There was maybe once a time where she put running above all, even herself. Now she has a baby to think about, shes aging, she STILL has the physical capabilities, but mentally she is not in the right place. Shalane is a freak of nature. She's no spring chicken herself (32 I think) and still killing everyone in the field, and Kara just looks at her in awe at this point I agree that it's not good for kara to train with her, every time she see's shalane perform better her confidence probably takes a hit. At this point, kara can try to recapture that youthful hunger, or she can just slowly fade into irrelevance. The circle of life.
She just messed up both her strategy and her prep.
She has to be pretty discouraged.
I saw them race at Stanford, and if she had just used the same strategy (let Shalane go) and did some heat training/prep. She'd be on the team and have the bonus $ etc.
Running is a tough sport, and running in the heat makes it tougher.
As soon as Hasay finished her last class, she skipped graduation, got on a plane and Alberto had her start prepping for Des Moines and the heat. He had her training in the sauna, and he sent her to Des Moines early to get acclimated to the heat/environs.
The point is, using all these preparation techniques ("gimmicks,") is they might not always work, but they might cut down on errors like Kara made.
Running is hard enough as it is, why not use every legal technique for prep (exer-cycle in sauna, ice vest, arrive early and acclimate.)
Everyone does know by "gimmicks" she isn't referring to training in a sauna or ice vests, right? There is a reason she left AS and it wasn't because she felt she didn't have the right workouts to help her succeed.
Do you know her? Have you had conversations with her? No. But if you can listen to her interview and think by "gimmicks" (a plural term, by the way) she means "drugs" you will believe anything. Gimmicks--alterG, underwater treadmill, ice chamber, ice vests, training in a sauna--those are gimmicks.
uphill run wrote:
Everyone does know by "gimmicks" she isn't referring to training in a sauna or ice vests, right? There is a reason she left AS and it wasn't because she felt she didn't have the right workouts to help her succeed.