Heavily censored thread, but seems safe to say, with eyewitness accounts, that the resignation was justified. Hope people can let it drop now. Kevin himself, admitted as much in his statement.
Heavily censored thread, but seems safe to say, with eyewitness accounts, that the resignation was justified. Hope people can let it drop now. Kevin himself, admitted as much in his statement.
Sue Parks wrote:
Kevin built at great women's program at Toledo over the last 15 years. I don't know if anyone could do what he has done at Toledo. He definitely raised the bar as far as distance running in our conference and I feel that he made us all strive to be better. Unfortunately, it appears that he made some mistakes and he is paying a heavy price for his actions. Knowing Kevin, I believe that he will learn from this situation and become a better person for it (just like we all hope to do).
For the sake of the Toledo athletes who are in the middle of their indoor season, I hope that everyone will stop posting on this thread and let everyone heal from what has to be an extremely difficult situation for all involved.
Thanks Sue. Nice to see one of his fellow coaches posting and signing their real name. I have known Kevin for many years and highly respect him. Not sure what happened and I really don't want to know. Hopefully everyone can learn from this and move on and Kevin can find a new direction IF coaching is no longer in his future.
Gee I wonder what happened...
something happened?
This thread has been gutted.
Rather amazing that anyone, particularly a female, could defend someone who appears to have done these thIngs to women. Goodness, is this the best the sport has? I know things posted and deleted are hearsay, however you should find out the truth before defending someone who has been fired (sorry- thats right, he resigned).
"...someone who appears to have done these thIngs to women."
What things? And how does he "appear" to have done them? Because you read them here?
Are you the kind of guy who takes astrology and "truthers" seriously?
"Rather amazing that anyone, particularly a female, could defend someone who appears to have done these thIngs to women. Goodness, is this the best the sport has? I know things posted and deleted are hearsay, however you should find out the truth before defending someone who has been fired (sorry- thats right, he resigned)."
Have you lost your mind? So you are saying that we should believe an anonymous message board post stating what Coach Hadsell supposedly did? At this point, everything is total speculation.
You missed:
a) a tell-all from a girl on the team
b) probably further hearsay and trouble making
c) and the fact that two students were knifed last night at UT:
Coincidence?
Oh siht, I missed the tell-all!!!
My guess is the reason this thread has been gutted is because IP addresses are fun. Would be interesting in a Libel or Defamation of Character lawsuit.
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My guess is the reason this thread has been gutted is because IP addresses are fun. Would be interesting in a Libel or Defamation of Character lawsuit.
I work indirectly with our IT Department at a large corporation. I am always amazed at how ignorant people are when they start posting data or sensative matter. Your home computer has an IP address that can be identified by your server. This includes your smartphone.
I have coworker recently fired for posting "anonymous" sensative data on a seemingly anonymous forum. They found him in less than 30 minutes.
Toshua wrote:
No one resigns in the middle of an indoor season for simply violating university policies.
Uncivil Engineer wrote:
Why would you say that? Do you even think? What if he did something amounting to a firing offense that someone on or associated with the team knew about and threatened to reveal unless he quit? Don't you think that people are inclined to control their own destinies to the fullest extent possible, which in this case means quitting before they can shitcan you? Ever heard of Christian Hesch? Or Lance Armstrong?
Seems like Uncivil Engineer disagreed with Toshua and called him an idiot. Then he proceeded to unknowingly agree with him and now he is trying to argue his side to act like he knew what Toshua was implying all along. All of which in the process made Uncivil Engineer seem arrogant, opinionated, and idiotic.
I can tell you that all former athletes of Hadsell's know of rumors of repeated inappropriate sexual relationships with female athletes. If his resignation is an admission of this then the truth should be told so that he cannot continue this pattern at another school. If someone is acting inappropriate then you should not act to cover for them, you should act to protect their behavior from having a negative impact on any young lady in the future! The truth about whats going on here will come out eventually, rumors of his inappropriate relationships were widespread among his program and its his fault, not anyone else's. The fact that many rumors of inappropriate sexual relationships with female athletes existed is a fact, the rumors were there. Weather or not his resignation is an admission of those rumors or another violation is unknown right now. However, the existence of the rumors is a fact and can be reported with confidence.
"The existence of rumors is a fact and should be reported".
What kind of education are they getting at Toledo?
Dear former athlete: you should be more concerned about your inability yo properly use the English language then coach Kevin hadsell's alleged behavior. "Weather" or not you believe it, the existence of rumors doesn't validate them. They're called rumors for a reason.
Ghanal wrote:
Toshua wrote:
No one resigns in the middle of an indoor season for simply violating university policies.
Uncivil Engineer wrote:
Why would you say that? Do you even think? What if he did something amounting to a firing offense that someone on or associated with the team knew about and threatened to reveal unless he quit? Don't you think that people are inclined to control their own destinies to the fullest extent possible, which in this case means quitting before they can shitcan you? Ever heard of Christian Hesch? Or Lance Armstrong?
Seems like Uncivil Engineer disagreed with Toshua and called him an idiot. Then he proceeded to unknowingly agree with him and now he is trying to argue his side to act like he knew what Toshua was implying all along. All of which in the process made Uncivil Engineer seem arrogant, opinionated, and idiotic.
You're no better at reading than Toshua is. Christ, you'd think this was particle physics or something.
I will (fruitlessly, no doubt) reiterate what has happened here.
Toshua claimed that no coach would abruptly quit over a university policy violation.
I disagreed, and pointed out why this claim was silly.
Toshua then said "well, duh," as if HE has been saying the same thing all along (and in the process revealing his age to be no older than maybe 19 or 20, which on this site implies a mental age of 12 or 13 at best).
All had simmered down until shitweasels like you had to insinuate yourselves into the mess and keep the thread off-topic. So please; either increase your brainpower tremendously or quit posting. I can tell you which would be the quicker and easier solution.
From what I can tell, Coach Hadsell has built an impressive program in his time at a school I'm sure has never been much of a track or XC power. I doubt Toledo is much of a selling point for weather, culture, etc. so his recruiting abilities must be considerable. If his second head is what got him in hot water, well, that sucks, but he's not the first and people do learn to quit doing stupid shit in that area.
Thanks, Sue. The kind words are appreciated and now everyone can move on from this. The program will continue to grow, and the women are strong. This only adds to the blue collar attitude a lot of the women have which has made Toledo such a power house.
All these people supporting this coach, I just want to know one thing. Would you be ok with your own kids going to a school where the coach uses his position to prey on your kid. Maybe you'd love when your kid comes home for thanksgiving and your kid can tell you they have a wonderful relationship with a man that's her coach.
Now sure, delete this post too...
"The existence of rumors is a fact and should be reported".
What kind of education are they getting at Toledo?[/quote]
It can be a fact that rumors exist. The rumors are there, it is a fact that they are there. How else would you say that? And I believe these rumors are relevant to this discussion because Hadsell has resigned with no details as to why, so these rumors should be investigated, not dismissed blindly. Why are you disrespecting the education of Toledo here? [quote]mazing wrote: