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so you pussed out when some lady got her purse snatched, therefore everyone else must be a puss too?
'almost shootings' almost killed a lot of people last year. They're almost very dangerous and almost killed more than zero victims.
Que? wrote:
Not necessarily! wrote:We'll make this as easy for you as we possibly can, given that you're off in space somewhere ..
Who's "we"?
Don't ask stupid questions. :) OK? It adds nothing.
Huh?? wrote:
CHRIS MATTHEWS wrote:if good guys with guns don't help, what's the point of calling the cops to stop a mass shooting?
You cannot possibly be that stupid.
Yes, there really are some that are 'that stupid.' sigh....again.
You do realize that if a mass shooter was stopped by a gun, it could very quite possibly be that a mass shooting didn't occur. You would have to look at EVERY case where a criminal was shot to determine if a mass shooter had been stopped by a gun. Which would be nearly impossible as stories of heroism don't bide well for news outlets to sell the news.
"people who are mad and constantly tough firearms"?? WTF does that mean?
Many people look at themselves as invincible when they get behind the wheel, which leads to 10,000 times more people killed every year in vehicle accidents than mass shootings..
WTF do you mean by 'higher death rate'?? You mean the US murder rate that's now dropped to 1964 levels, barry's hometown notwithstanding?
What do you know about respnsible gun ownership or gun safety? Do you own a gun? Ever even fired one?
People who constantly clean their guns are 'red flags'? BAAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!! Let's regulate how many times gun owners are allowed to touch or clean their guns. LOL!
I'll admit I'm 'that stupid' if you'll answer the question. Again, if good guys with guns don't help, what's the point of calling the cops to stop a mass shooting?
if a troll is someone who asks questions to which you're unable to formulate an intelligent response, I am indeed a troll.
I'm sorry - I know it must be frustrating to you for me to make arguments you're ill equipped to counter.
no, we actually can't agree with much of that, especially the BS about a "far greater chance, statistically speaking, that you will be come the victim of gun violence" if you own a gun.
Look, I'm sure there are millions of people who own guns because they live in dangerous areas that are already prone to lots of violent crime. These people buy guns because they're already in danger, and people that live in areas like that are much more likely to experience violent crime, regardless of whether they own a gun.
If I move to the hood in S Chicago, I'm much more likely to be shot, simply because of the prevalence of thugs. It's not my gun that threatens me, it's the armed thug on the corner.
What % of law abiding gun owners accidentally hurt themselves or someone else? Less than 1%. So why are we worried about that? What % of vehicle drivers have ever been involved in an accident? A lot more than 1%..
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Also in Aurora, Colorado, convicted felon Kiarron Parker entered the parking lot of a church and opened fire. He killed one person before being shot and killed himself by another member of the congregation who was carrying concealed… but you didn’t see that story on the news.
CHRIS MATTHEWS wrote:
Look, do you have any clue what happened at Columbine? You obviously do not. The armed security guard basically pussed out & chose not to confront the shooters. How is it then logical to use Columbine as an example to prove your point?? I guess we should also do away with arming cops, since somewhere along the way I imagine there has been a cop that has pussed out rather than confront a bad guy?
"Deputy Neil Gardner was a 15-year veteran of the Jefferson County, Colo., Sheriff’s Office assigned as the uniformed officer at Columbine. According to an account compiled by the police department, Gardner fired on Harris but was unsuccessful in stopping him:
Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.
After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. "Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me."
Balian wrote:
October 26th 1881
Wyatt Earp his brothers and Doc Holliday at the OK Corral.
Brazen vigilante behavior which didn't fool the people of Tombstone, who brought charges.
They got off, but "good guy" Wyatt then went around murdering even more people, and ended up having to leave Arizona. For some reason Arizona couldn't extradite him from California, even for murder. Wyatt moved to California and used media and film to lie his way into myth and legend.
Maybe the gun manufacturer's lobby - I mean the NRA would explain why many nations, despite being more violent than the US, have only a fraction of the number of homicides. Couldn't have anything to do with US gun laws now could it?
Assaults per 100,000 population
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Scotland 1487
Sweden 927
England+Wales 730
USA 262
Homicides per 100,000 population
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USA 5
Scotland 1.6
England/Wales 1.1
Sweden 1
He's buried about a half dozen rows from where my grandmother was buried in 1957. He was buried in 1929. Same cemetery.
In Tombstone he was a good guy. Good with a gun. Good Gun Guy.
-- Mayan Palace Theater, San Antonio, Texas, this week: Jesus Manuel Garcia shoots at a movie theater, a police car and bystanders from the nearby China Garden restaurant; as he enters the movie theater, guns blazing, an armed off-duty cop shoots Garcia four times, stopping the attack. Total dead: Zero.
-- Winnemucca, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead: Two. (I'm excluding the shooters' deaths in these examples.)
-- Appalachian School of Law, 2002: Crazed immigrant shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead: Three.
-- Santee, Calif., 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates -- as well as the "trained campus supervisor"; an off-duty cop who happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day points his gun at the shooter, holding him until more police arrive. Total dead: Two.
-- Pearl High School, Mississippi, 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman's head, ending the murder spree. Total dead: Two.
-- Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One.
By contrast, the shootings in gun-free zones invariably result in far higher casualty figures -- Sikh temple, Oak Creek, Wis. (six dead); Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Va. (32 dead); Columbine High School, Columbine, Colo. (12 dead); Amish school, Lancaster County, Pa. (five little girls killed); public school, Craighead County, Ark. (five killed, including four little girls).
Balian wrote:
He's buried about a half dozen rows from where my grandmother was buried in 1957. He was buried in 1929. Same cemetery.
In Tombstone he was a good guy. Good with a gun. Good Gun Guy.
A few dozen rows from your grandmother, and a few hundred miles from Arizona, where they would have hung him for the murderin' sumbitch he was.
If even one life has been saved by a private citizen with a gun, then concealed carry is completely justified.
Many left-wing folk will counter with, "Well, if even one innocent life has been taken with a gun, then banning them is justified," and will continue to cite examples of children shooting themselves with their parents' guns, etc, etc.
The difference? Accidental deaths are always preventable, and better education will reduce the occurrence. Homicide is not, and there is no justification to remove a person's right to defend themself from it.
This is in support of requirements of education or training in order to own guns, but against all-out bans, which many people here apparently support.
watup wrote:
By contrast, the shootings in gun-free zones invariably result in far higher casualty figures -- Sikh temple, Oak Creek, Wis. (six dead); Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Va. (32 dead); Columbine High School, Columbine, Colo. (12 dead); Amish school, Lancaster County, Pa. (five little girls killed); public school, Craighead County, Ark. (five killed, including four little girls).
Ft Hood is considered gun free as well! Only MP have weapons out. :)
neanderthal dream wrote:
If even one life has been saved by a private citizen with a gun, then concealed carry is completely justified.
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"A retired Chicago homicide detective shot and killed his son after mistaking him for an intruder in his Northwest Side apartment early this morning, according to police and family.
Michael Griffin, 48, was found shot once in the head a little after midnight in his father’s home in the 5300 block of North Delphia Avenue, police said."
Is this the life you are talking about?