Kenyans DO dope

ventolin^3 wrote:

thanks for drivel

you have no connection with either kenyan or swiss camps so thanks but no thanks for crap

as for needing to find some unknown russian doctor to prescribe epo is laughable

epo has been widely prescribed for medical patients for 25y

it can be obtained anywhere in western world with a prescription providing you are willing to pay full retail cost of a few $1000s for a full course

the only strong reason a doc woudn't prescribe it is that it woudn't be on a subsidised state prescription costing a few $10 in order to watch his budget

if you are willing to pay retail you can have got it anywhere in western world

certainly no drivel about russian docs needed

You are just the usual ignorant !

What´s new about what you say ? That EPO os prescribed for 25 years ago ?

We all know that.

I know it better that what you do, because i know the portuguese doctor that was the firne in the world to prescribe EPO in any human being. But yoodn´t know who he is. Second what i mean about EPO on Tergat by a russina doctor is just generic terminology. EPO is the first generation, What Tergat took it´s more sophisticated kind of EPO that the EPO that you mean that is widely available 25 years ago. Synthetic EPO

#$# wrote:

Kenyans remain lousy athletes except for distance running

Err yes, that's the whole point, for various reasons they're predominantly distance runners which makes your comparisons with Australia and Cuba idiotic, regardless of population numbers.

deanouk wrote:I have always found it strange that so many Kenyans run such fast times in Doha in early May, and then never go on to improve on those times throughout the rest of the season.

idiot

rudy - 1'43.8

asbel - 3'31.1

hagos - 7'30+

you think those are going to be their SBs ???

But NEVER I heard of some top athlete involved in the idea of doping.

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4774760&page=1#ixzz3HlqR0YLa

You have now

Say what?

El Keniano wrote:

LOL at the utter stupidity that is typical of the average American. Yes, America, so much bigger, richer with nearly ten times the population of a developing country in East Africa just needs to get to the bottom of why they suck so much at distance running (and now sprinting too thanks to hard-working Jamaicans). For all your resources and the obsecene amounts spent on your athletes, you still can't compete with the class and the natural talent of a David Rudisha or an Asbel Kiprop. Either that or Kenya has been on the cutting edge of scientific and chemical boosting of its athletes since Kip Keino taught the world to run in Mexico City '68.

Another thread containing some classic posts that haven't aged very well at all.

100 busts later, including Kiprop's, and there are still black racists here making the same 'arguments'. For the rest of the day they're probably in other forums and on Twitter claiming that the pyramids were made by blacks because it would be racist if they didn't etc etc.

Hilarious!!!!

Wasn’t the timing of this thread right before Renato Canova fled Kenya for China?

Renato Canova wrote:

Anyway, I continue to think EPO doesn't work with the best Kenyan athletes (the example of Shaheen and Nicholas Kemboi, and Moses Mosop and Wilson Kipsang and Abel Kirui and Mary Keitany etc. that I have every day are clear, and personally I don't think they can run faster getting some doping), and 99% in Iten there is no this behavior. I can't speak for other places (Kapsabet, Ngong, Nyahururu, Kaptagat) because I don't frequent these sites, but I can bet the best athletes don't use anything illegal (because mine don't use anything, also legal...).

You sure about that coach?

This is a classic thread.

LOL, all these bumps these days. Fun facts I:
Kenyan top marathon performers, 2010 – 2014
2:02:57 – Kimetto Berlin 2014
2:03:13 – Mutai Berlin 2014
2:03:23 – Kipsang Berlin 2013 – banned
2:03:38 – Makau Berlin 2011
2:04:11 – Kipchoge Chicago 2014
Average: 2:03:28 (1x 2:02, 3x 2:03, 1x 2:04)

Kenyan top marathon performers, 2015 – 2019
2:01:39 – Kipchoge Berlin 2018
2:03:13 – Kipsang Berlin 2016 – banned
2:03:51 – Biwott London 2016
2:04:06 – Cherono Amsterdam 2018 – banned
2:04:11 – Kipserem Rotterdam 2019 – banned
Average 2:03:24 (1x 2:01, 2x 2:03, 2x 2:04)

This thread is from 2012...

Fun facts II

Top Kenyans banned for doping since 2012:
1) Olympic champ + 3x World champ Kiprop, PR 3:26 (EPO 2017)
2) Olympic champ + London marathon winner Sumgong, PR 2:20:41 (EPO 2017)
3) 3x Boston (one DQ) + 2x Chicago marathon (one DQ) winner Jeptoo, PR 2:18:57 (DQ) (EPO 2014)
4) Boston + Chicago marathon winner Cherono, PR 2:03:04 (trimetazidine 2022)
5) London + Amsterdam marathon winner D. Wanjiru, PR 2:05:21 (ABP 2019)
6) Boston marathon winner Kipyokei, PR 2:22:06 (triamcinolone acetonide 2022)
7) Half marathon world record holder Kiptum, PR 58:18 (DQ) (ABP 2019)
8) Third fastest half marathon runner Kisorio back then, PR 58:46 (norandrosterone 2012 + whereabouts 2022)

9) Ranked 2nd in road running Renju, PRs 26:57/58:35 (methasterone 2022)
10) African champ Kipkemoi, PRs 26:52/59:01/2:05:44 (terbutaline 2019)
11) 2x Rotterdam + Abu Dhabi winner Kipserem, PR 2:04:04 (EPO 2022)
12) 2x Seoul marathon winner Loyanae, PR 2:05:13 (EPO 2013)
13) Commonwealth + African champ Chepkirui, PRs 30:37/1:06:19 (ABP 2019)
14) Commonwealth + African champ Omanyala, PR 9.77 (betamethasone 2017)
15) 2x 2nd in Chicago and sub-2 pacer Kitwara, PRs 58:48/2:04:28 (terbutaline 2019)
Honorable mentions
16) Sub-2 pacer Kacheran, PR 2:05:19 (testosterone 2022)
17) 3000 m steeple world record holder and Olympic champ Jebet, Bahraini-turned Kenyan, PR 8:52.78 (EPO 2017)
18) Olympic silver medalist Kirwa, Bahraini-turned Kenyan, PR 2:21:17 (EPO 2017)
Plus banned for whereabouts failures (and tampering in case of Kipsang)
19) Marathon world record holder, 2x London + Berlin + New York + Tokyo marathon winner Kipsang, PR 2:03:13 (banned 2020)
20) World champ E. Manangoi, PR 3:28.80 (banned 2020)
21) Sub-2 pacer Korio, PR 58:51 (banned 2022)
22) Gachaga, PRs 59:22/2:05:09 (banned 2022)

What is it about doping that excites you so much?

Shows the scale of the problem when Manangoi is only 20th.