6 women run 1:58.5 or better in the PRELIMS of the Russian champs

coach d wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Bit like looking at the US sprints trials

No.

I think Gatlin peed into his own bottle.

If you think he is clean its you who is taking the p1ss

The basis of American T&F success is sprints and power events. ie Doping

So talk of the Russians although accurate is a bit pot and kettle and what really pisses me off is the No of people on here who defend dopers and believe there BS excuses, as long as they are American

CO- can never spell her name- Doper

Chambers Doper

Christie Doper

See it's not hard

Video of the final is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niwW0N-2wxk

Winner ran negative splits: about 59.5 and 58.6

Dwain Chambers is clean. If he says he's clean, and more importantly if he speaks English, then he MUST be clean. End of story.

3rd place was my favorite, if you know what I meaaaan.

"47.60 -> 43.27"

You really can't compare the womens 400m pr, its one of the worst records in track and field.

DOPE

which affects women more than men.

ventolin^3 wrote:

most idiotic idea for a sports event in living memory..

Why is the European Championship so stupid?

Lets eliminate the commonwealth games eh?

Lets eliminate the WC too eh?

Lets just have the Olympics.

That would be fun.

You are genious Ventolin, to increase fun for track fans, remove great championships.

xxxx wrote:

http://www.flotrack.org/article/13353-Russia-are-you-serious-Womens-1500-Meter-results

Crazy results in 1500 also.

Very interesting. After a doping ban and essentially disappearing from track, Yelena Soboleva is back and almost as fast as ever. And she now goes by Elena, although IAAF has merged the Elena and Yelena results.

Go Jonesboro (Arkansas) HS and Texas State U!!

Ah, Russian Champs, there we go again. It is just one of this things that you can be sure about, like Christmas. ^^

Btw, the third of women's marathon in Euro champs '10 has now the gold. Or was it the fourth?!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

coach d wrote:

No.

I think Gatlin peed into his own bottle.

If you think he is clean its you who is taking the p1ss

The basis of American T&F success is sprints and power events. ie Doping

So talk of the Russians although accurate is a bit pot and kettle and what really pisses me off is the No of people on here who defend dopers and believe there BS excuses, as long as they are American

CO- can never spell her name- Doper

Chambers Doper

Christie Doper

See it's not hard

UK guy,

So you think our high jumpers, pole vaulter, decathletes, etc., are all on dope. America didn't just become good, we have always been good, unless you think Jesses Owens was on dope in 1936. Also, we are 3rd best nation in middle and longs distance events...perhaps they are all on dope as well. In terms of Gatlin being on dope, do your seriously think an athlete who endured a 4-ban, practically lost everything, competes under a microscope who actually be doping. And, who is Gatlin getting his dope from; Conte/BALCO are out of business and until this year Gatlin was broke...do you think he is getting dope on a credit plan?

In terms of the Russian ladies, suspicion is warrantied. Twice before several unheralded Russian female athletes ran incredible times leading up to the Olympics and several of them were caught doping and the ones that weren't caught underperformed at the Olympics?

usually your stuff is good but you seem to have some strange blind eye to doping when there have been so many proven doping cases among the world's top athletes, good circumstantial evidence about many of the others, and absolute proof about systematic doping programs in the former Eastern bloc. Boulmerka ran 3:55 and raced very sparingly and retired early. We do not know that she was clean, though many North African runners were on EPO in the 1990s. But honestly if you look at the top lists of women, they are absolutely dominated in the 800m and 1500m and 3000m by Chinese and Eastern Bloc athletes in systematic doping programs, which are well documented. The Chinese athletes fill the ranks from a couple days in 1993 and 1997. So we are to believe that a nation without any success at all in the distances ever all of a sudden out of nothing produced more great middle distance runners than any other nation in history all at the same time and then disappeared back into nothingness LEGALLY??? Crazy. Ockham's razor says that the simplest explanation is probably the best. For all the training ever done outside of the Eastern Europeans and Chinese, and don't tell me that they baby these athletes, virtually no athletes legal throughout their careers have dipped more than 2 seconds under 4. There are times, like last year, where the best women runners aren't in the distance but over time all that evens out. Slaney ran 1:57/3:57 (while with a doper and she much later tested positive) and beat all kinds of Eastern Bloc dopers and who exactly with a sub 1:57 (the very doped and intersex Kratochvilova record being 1:53.28) would destroy Slaney by 12 seconds at 1500m to your vision of a good women's time? On this one, you are spouting nonsense. On other things, you make sense.

i'm afraid you are talking nonsense

you need no hx of running in any country to be great

this is not a sport which requires any special gymnastic/technical ability to excel - just running talent + hard work

in '80s there were the djibouti M runners, abdi bile of somalia & matete of zambia & now montsho of botswana

all world-beaters with no hx of running in their country

tradition is a nonsense concept

as for dopers from eastern bloc, whoever they were, they still ran only 3'52/3'53+ - if they were dopers from getgo, this only indicates they were poor intrinisic 1500 talents, probably 4'00++ without drugs

i have little doubt if the top africans seriously doped, they woud be <3'50 & if say, the top american gals did, i'd see them going 3'50 - 3'52

the chinese were talented & yes, a case can be made for doping, as we do see 3'30 guys dope to get there ( my = 3'50 ) & they may have been more like 3'55+ without doping

however, like i said 4'00 is a shit time compared to men & 3'50 = 3'30 & men have run 3'30 without dope - cram/maree definitiely were clean in mid-'80s, & i believe women can run 3'50 without dope - maybe chinese did, maybe they didn't, but it's possible

3:50 doesn't require doping? So are all those Russians just doping for the joy ride? 3:50 is just like the 800 equivalent of 1:51 which is out of the reach of genetic AND pharmacological she-males from around the globe. Oh those lazy, lazy she-males!You are truly, pitifully demented.

ventolin^3 wrote:

Godfree Kiptitkum wrote:So you are too chickensh!t to answer the question: were the Chinese women doping?

moron

running 3'46/3'47 is likely to need doping

3'50 can be done without it

Godfree Kiptitkum wrote:3:50 is just like the 800 equivalent of 1:51

moron

it isn't

ventolin^3 wrote:

Godfree Kiptitkum wrote:3:50 is just like the 800 equivalent of 1:51

moron

it isn't

Another fantastic rebuttal by ventolin!!!! Zing!

Except that it is:http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/technical/scoringtables/index.htmlYou lose.

ventolin^3 wrote:

Godfree Kiptitkum wrote:3:50 is just like the 800 equivalent of 1:51

moron

it isn't

Godfree Kiptitkum wrote:Except that it is:

http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/technical/scoringtables/index.html

You lose

moron

they give

3'50.08 = 1'52.68

1'50.99 = 3'46.25

still worthless

but idiot, you can't even post worthless drivel properly...

... the qualifying procedure was such that athletes HAD to usually win or place top 2 to advance, so running fast to qualify for the final was a necessity. The times in the finals weren't all that blazing.

Women's World Records

4x800m relay

7:50.17 Nadezhda Olizarenko, Lyubov Gurina, Lyudmila Borisova, Irina Podyalovskaya--Soviet Union

5 August 1984--Moscow, Soviet Union

So if you ran a 1:58-flat leg, you were hurting the team.

Ah, those were the days...